Integral involving exponentials and the Time ordering operator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical formulation of an integral involving exponentials and the time ordering operator in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of manipulating integrals and products of Hamiltonians, particularly in the context of time-dependent interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to manipulate the left-hand side of the equation involving the integral and the series expansion of the exponential function, noting that the integral is not raised to the power of 'n'.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral can be treated as a power, but this is challenged by the first participant who argues that the Hamiltonians are different functions of their respective variables.
  • A further reply proposes that if the Hamiltonian were an ordinary function, the integral could be expressed as a power, but emphasizes the importance of non-commutativity at different time instances.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the explanation provided, indicating that the time ordering operator addresses the non-commutativity issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the manipulation of the integral or the treatment of the Hamiltonians. There are competing views on the nature of the variables in the integral and how they relate to the Hamiltonians.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of dealing with time-dependent Hamiltonians and the implications of non-commutativity in quantum mechanics. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the treatment of the integral and the definitions of the Hamiltonians involved.

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How can I show that:

\sum^{\infty}_{n=0} \frac{(-i)^n}{n!} \int^{t}_{t'} dt_{1} dt_{2}...dt_{n} T(H_I(t_1)...H_I(t_n)) \equiv Texp[-i\int^{t}_{t'} dsH_I(s)]

My concern is that the integral

\int^{t}_{t'} dt_{1} dt_{2}...dt_{n} T(H_I(t_1)...H_I(t_n))

is not raised to the power of 'n' so we can't really manipulate the expression on the LHS to fit:

exp(x)=\sum^{n=0}_{\infty}\frac{x^n}{n!}.

Also, why can you write a product of Hamiltonians as a single one - physically that makes no sense (to me anyway, a big qualification there!) ie why is HI(t1)HI(t2)...HI(tn)=HI(s)?

Thanks in advance...
 
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All your questions relate to the power of the integral.

Can you write out what
\left( \int f(x) \, dx \right)^3
is (for some function f)?
 
I wish I could say:

\left( \int f(x) \, dx \right)^3 =\int dx f(x) \int dy f(y) \int dz f(z)

as this would clearly solve the problem. But the variables in the integral in the OP aren't dummy variables - I would guess each hamiltonian is a different function of its respective variable, so I can't see how one can do what you've suggested?
 
vertices said:
But the variables in the integral in the OP aren't dummy variables
Err, why not? I see an integral over t1 up to tn?

In principle (if H(t) was an ordinary function) you could immediately write

<br /> \sum^{\infty}_{n=0} \frac{(-i)^n}{n!} \int^{t}_{t&#039;} dt_{1} dt_{2}...dt_{n} H_I(t_1)...H_I(t_n) = \sum_{n = 0}^\infty \frac{(-i)^n}{n!} \left( \int^t_{t&#039;} ds H(s) \right)^n<br />
and define the exponential by the formal sum on the right hand side.

Exactly the same is happening here. The only thing that you need to take care of is the non-commutativity of H with itself at different time instances.

Anyway, it's not like (what you seem to imply) there are different definitions for H. For example, H may be defined as \hat H = \hat p^2 / 2m + m \omega^2 \hat x^2 such that H(t)H(t') is not H(t')H(t). But it is not true that H(t) = f(t) and H(s) = g(s) for different functions f and g.
 
Thanks CompuChip:) - that's a convincing explanation. I guess the the time ordering operator takes care of the non-commutativity of H with itself at different time instances.
 

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