Integral: Trig Substitution for 3x^2-1

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The discussion revolves around the definite integral involving the expression \(\int \frac{x^3}{\sqrt{3x^2-1}} \, dx\). Participants are exploring appropriate substitutions, particularly trigonometric substitutions, to simplify the integral.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to find a suitable substitution, expressing a need to transform \(3x^2\) into a recognizable form for trigonometric substitution. Some participants suggest using hyperbolic functions or integration by parts as alternative methods. Others discuss specific substitutions like \(x = \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} \sec \theta\) and the reasoning behind it.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being explored. Some participants provide insights into standard methods for handling the integral, while others express uncertainty about using hyperbolic functions. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants mention the challenge of making the expression fit a standard form for substitution and the potential complexity of the methods discussed. There is also a note on the varying familiarity with hyperbolic functions among students.

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Consider the definite integral \int \frac{(x^3)}{(sqrt(3x^2-1))}

can someone help me find the appropriate subsitution?

i know that i will need this subsitution:

sqrt(x^2-a^2) is equal to
x=a*sec(theta)

well... i have to make 3x^2 look like x^2 somehow.

i tried using u-du sub, but i can't really find the right subsitution.

can someone give me a hand?
 
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The hard way:Do you handle calculus with hyperbolic functions...?

The easy way:Try part integration.

Daniel.
 
There is also a very messy way by using

x= \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} \sec \theta

but it will get the job done.
 
MathStudent said:
There is also a very messy way by using

x= \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} \sec \theta

but it will get the job done.

perfect! thank you

btw, how did you get x= \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} \sec \theta ? i have my thoughts on how you got it, but i would like to make sure.
 
pretty standard, when you have

\sqrt{bx^2 - a^2}

factor out the b to give you the recognizable x^2 - c^2 form so that you have

\sqrt{b(x^2 - \frac{a^2}{b})}

and then make the substitution

x = \frac{a}{\sqrt{b}}\sec \theta
 
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Pretty standard with cosine hyperbolic too... :-p

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Pretty standard with cosine hyperbolic too... :-p

Daniel.
It seems like most people, when given the chance avoid the hyperbolics like the plague, I don't even think they're taught at some shools. :smile:
 
I'd never use secant & cosecant in any of my formulas...Any neither their hyperbolic or elliptical counterparts...Actually,i've always screwed them up.
secant-------->sinus
cosecant-------cosinus

would have been much more helpful for my slow brain. :rolleyes:

Daniel.
 

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