Integrand with Lambert W -function

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The discussion revolves around the integral $$I(x, k) = \int_{-a}^x W(t) \sqrt[k]{t + a}\ \mathrm{d}t$$, which involves the Lambert W function and is related to modeling projectile motion under complex assumptions. Participants explore methods for approximating this integral beyond numerical integration, considering the challenges posed by the Lambert W function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the expectation of finding a "nice" primitive for the integral involving the Lambert W function, suggesting that it may only yield approximations through numerical methods.
  • Another participant acknowledges the difficulty of obtaining a suitable starting point for the integral and hints at the possibility of using non-trivial tricks to simplify the situation, referencing experiences with similar integrals.
  • A later reply introduces a substitution method involving $$t = q\mathrm{e}^q$$, leading to a reformulation of the integral that may facilitate numerical integration without the complications of special functions.

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Participants generally agree on the challenges posed by the Lambert W function and the likelihood that numerical methods will be necessary for approximating the integral. However, there is no consensus on the existence of a simpler analytical approach, as different methods are proposed and explored.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the Lambert W function and its implications for integration, as well as the potential for various mathematical techniques to address the integral, though no definitive method has been established.

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Hello!

I am modelling projectile motion under some non-simplified assumptions and I should obtain a some sort of 'solution' for the following horrible looking(?) integral

$$I(x, k) = \int_{-a}^x W(t) \sqrt[k]{t + a}\ \mathrm{d}t$$,

where $$x \ge -a = -\mathrm{e}^{-1}$$ and $$k \in \mathbb{Z}_+$$. As for the $$x$$, I can fix $$x = X$$, that's not a problem for e.g. numerical integration.

But is there any other method to compute an approximation for $$I(x, k)$$ than numerical methods? As far as I know, writing $$W(t)$$ in terms of power serie is quite messy. But is there any other approachs?

Thank you! ^^
 
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Theia said:
Hello!

I am modelling projectile motion under some non-simplified assumptions and I should obtain a some sort of 'solution' for the following horrible looking(?) integral

$$I(x, k) = \int_{-a}^x W(t) \sqrt[k]{t + a}\ \mathrm{d}t$$,

where $$x \ge -a = -\mathrm{e}^{-1}$$ and $$k \in \mathbb{Z}_+$$. As for the $$x$$, I can fix $$x = X$$, that's not a problem for e.g. numerical integration.

But is there any other method to compute an approximation for $$I(x, k)$$ than numerical methods? As far as I know, writing $$W(t)$$ in terms of power serie is quite messy. But is there any other approachs?

Thank you! ^^

Hey Theia! ;)

Really! You expect something with the Lambert $W$ function to have a "nice" primitive?
It's a function that evades all regular analysis!
As I see it, it's just a placeholder for stuff that we can't deal with otherwise.
I think we can only compute approximations with numerical methods.
Sorry! :o
 
I like Serena said:
Hey Theia! ;)

Really! You expect something with the Lambert $W$ function to have a "nice" primitive?
It's a function that evades all regular analysis!
As I see it, it's just a placeholder for stuff that we can't deal with otherwise.
I think we can only compute approximations with numerical methods.
Sorry! :o

Indeed, you may be right. Thank you!

To be more clear, perhaps not 'a nice primitive', but rather 'a suitable starting point that could be used somehow'. :D Mainly, I'm asking, because in some cases, if one is patient enough to bash his head against the brick wall, there are some non-trivial tricks that may simplify the situation (e.g. in simple fluid planet model, where one needs to integrate something like power function times inverse error function). Perhaps I'll think over this a little bit first too... With a strong brick wall, of course! ;)
 
Okay, one day more brick walls.

Let's substitute $$t = q\mathrm{e}^q \quad \Rightarrow \quad \mathrm{d}t = \mathrm{e}^q(1+q)\mathrm{d}q$$. So one obtains

$$I(x_q, k) = \int_{-1}^{x_q}q\sqrt[k]{q\mathrm{e}^q + \mathrm{e}^{-1}}\mathrm{e}^q(1+q)\mathrm{d}q.$$

Integrating by parts by choosing

$$\begin{align*} f &= q & g' &= \sqrt[k]{q\mathrm{e}^q + \mathrm{e}^{-1}}\mathrm{e}^q(1+q) \\
f' &= 1 & g &= \tfrac{k}{k+1} \sqrt[k]{\left( q\mathrm{e}^q + \mathrm{e}^{-1} \right)^{k+1}}
\end{align*}$$

one obtains

$$I(x_q, k) = \frac{kx_q}{k+1}\sqrt[k]{\left( x_q\mathrm{e}^{x_q} + \mathrm{e}^{-1} \right)^{k+1}} - \frac{k}{k+1} \int_{-1}^{x_q}\sqrt[k]{\left( q\mathrm{e}^{q} + \mathrm{e}^{-1} \right)^{k+1}}\mathrm{d}q.$$

No more special functions to disturb simple numerics! ^^
 

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