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The discussion revolves around the integration of a complex mathematical expression involving multiple sine functions. Participants explore various approaches to tackle the integration problem, including specific cases and recursive formulas. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploratory problem-solving.

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  • One participant presents a complex integral involving sine functions and seeks assistance in solving it.
  • Another suggests starting with simpler cases (e.g., n=2) to build understanding and identify patterns.
  • A third participant shares results from Mathematica for specific integrals of sine functions, proposing a general form for the integral of sine raised to an even power.
  • Another participant speculates that the solution may involve a product of integrals due to the separation of variables.
  • One participant introduces a recursive formula for integrating sine functions, suggesting it may be a promising approach.

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Participants express various methods and insights, but there is no consensus on a definitive approach or solution to the original problem. Multiple competing views and strategies remain present.

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Some participants reference specific cases and results, but the general expression remains unresolved. The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of the integrals and potential trends, which are not fully established.

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Hello

I have problem with integrate

[tex] \int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}d\phi_1...\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}d\phi_{n-2}sin^{2(n-1)}\phi_1...sin^{2(n-k)}\phi_k ...sin^4\phi_{n-2}[/tex]

Please help me.
 
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Ok, you got to start small with these things then build it back up. So how about starting with n=2:

[tex]\int_0^a\int_0^a \sin^2(\phi_1)\sin^4(\phi_2) d\phi_1 d\phi_2[/tex]

Alright, get that one straight, then add another one, then another one. Do maybe 3,4 or five that way and you'll (hopefully) see a trend that you can then use deduction to deduce the value for the general expression.
 
Using the Mathematica I found that
[tex]\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}Sin^2xdx=\frac{\pi}{4}[/tex][tex]\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}Sin^4xdx=\frac{3\pi}{16}[/tex]
[tex]\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}Sin^6xdx=\frac{5\pi}{32}[/tex][tex]\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}Sin^8xdx=\frac{35\pi}{256}[/tex]
[tex]\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}Sin^{10}xdx=\frac{63\pi}{512}[/tex]

so I can write

[tex]\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}Sin^{2n}xdx=\frac{a_{2n} \pi }{2^{2n}}[/tex]

but I can't find any logical expression which describes an
 
Keep in mind the variables are separated so won't the answer be some kind of product like:

[tex]\displaystyle\prod_{n=1}^N (I_n)[/tex]

I think so anyway. So the [itex]a_n[/itex] term may be a problem. Ok, what happens when you just solve for the antiderivative when n=2, n=3, n=4, n=5. Can you see some kind of trend there?.
 
I think I may have led you astray on this and now suggest we focus on the recursive formula:

[tex]\int \sin^n(x)dx=-\frac{1}{n} \cos(x)\sin^{n-1}(x)+\frac{n-1}{n}\int \sin^{n-2}(x)dx[/tex]

Haven't worked it out yet but it looks encouraging.
 

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