Integrating by parts in path integral (Zee)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the process of integrating by parts within the context of path integrals, specifically referencing a problem from Zee's work. Participants are examining the transition from one equation to another in the context of quantum field theory, focusing on the mathematical steps involved in the integration process.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the integration by parts step leading from Eq. 14 to Eq. 15 in Zee's text, expressing confusion over the mathematical justification.
  • Another participant references Green's identity to illustrate a related concept of integrating by parts in a 3D context, suggesting that the same principles apply in 4D with appropriate boundary conditions.
  • A further contribution clarifies the concept of "partial integration," explaining how to rewrite the integrand using partial differentiation and invoking Stokes' theorem to handle boundary terms.
  • One participant acknowledges the assistance provided by others, indicating a moment of clarity regarding the integration process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus on the initial participant's confusion, but there is a collaborative effort to clarify the integration by parts process. Multiple perspectives on the mathematical justification are presented without resolving the initial query.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference boundary conditions and the application of Green's identity, but the discussion does not fully resolve the assumptions or conditions under which these mathematical tools apply in the context of the path integral.

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Hi all,

I have an exceptionally basic question, taken from P21 of Zee. Eq. 14 is

Z=\int D\psi e^{i\int d^4x(\frac{1}{2}[(\partial\psi )^2-m^2\psi^2] + J\psi)}

The statement is then made that 'Integrating by parts under the \int d^4x' leads to Eq. 15:

Z=\int D\psi e^{i\int d^4x[-\frac{1}{2}\psi(\partial^2+m^2)\psi + J\psi]}.

Now, I am being supremely thick, but I don't see how this follows. Could somebody please spell it out in small words?
 
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Consider the Green's identity equation (4) in the link which is basically a 3D version of integrating by parts:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GreensIdentities.html

and taking the surface integral to be zero implies that

\int dV \;\nabla \phi \nabla \psi = -\int dV \;\phi \nabla^2 \psi

and so in this example, one can extend that to 4D and take the volume boundary term to zero
 
"Partially integrating" means here that you use partial differentation to rewrite the integrand.

Here the relevant term becomes

<br /> \int_{\Omega} \partial \phi \partial \phi = \int_{\Omega} \partial(\phi\partial\phi) - \int_{\Omega} \partial^2 \phi<br />

The first term on the RHS becomes

<br /> \int_{\Omega} \partial(\phi\partial\phi) = \int_{\partial\Omega} \phi\partial\phi<br />

by Stokes theorem. Imposing boundary conditions, this term vanishes.
 
Aha yes. Thank you both.
 

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