Integrating √(ex-3) with Substitution: Step-by-Step Guide

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration of the function √(e^x - 3) using substitution methods. Participants explore various approaches to solve the integral, including different substitution techniques and integration strategies.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant begins with the substitution u = √(e^x - 3) and derives du = e^x dx / (2u), expressing uncertainty about the next steps.
  • Another participant suggests solving for e^x in terms of u, leading to e^x = u^2 + 3.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in progressing from the integral 2 ∫ u² du / (u² + 3) and seeks further guidance.
  • Suggestions include using integration by parts or rewriting the numerator as 2(u² + 3 - 3).
  • One participant proposes a trigonometric substitution, u = √3 tan(θ), while another comments that this may be excessive.
  • There is a playful exchange regarding the integral -2 ∫ 3 / (3 + u²) du, with participants questioning the necessity of trigonometric substitution.
  • Participants reference the integral of 1/(x² + 1) as a standard integral, indicating a shared understanding of certain integral forms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the integral, with multiple competing methods and expressions of uncertainty about the next steps in the integration process.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about specific steps in the integration process, indicating potential missing assumptions or unresolved mathematical steps.

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I have been given the problem ∫√(ex-3)

and we must use the substitution u = √(ex-3)

I can start it off with u = √(ex-3)
and du = exdx/2u

and what I've been trying is to complete the square and go towards 2 ∫ u2du/((u2+4) -1)

But I am not getting towards the answer, either I am doing something wrong in the middle, or my approach is wrong.

the answer given is 2√(ex-3) - 2 √3 arctan(ex-3)/√3) +c

any help would really be appreciated, I've searched online trying to find a pattern, but i just can't figure it out
 
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u = sqrt(e^x - 3)

du/dx = e^x/(2*u)

now you can solve for e^x in terms of u: e^x = u^2 + 3

can you take it from here?
 
Thats where I can get up to, I have 2 ∫ u2du/(u2 + 3)

I just can't figure out where to go from there
 
integrate by parts

or write the nominator in the integrand 2u^2 as 2(u^2+3-3)
 
albalaka said:
Thats where I can get up to, I have 2 ∫ u2du/(u2 + 3)

I just can't figure out where to go from there

I would suggest [itex]u = \sqrt{3}\tan\theta[/itex].
 
pasmith said:
I would suggest [itex]u = \sqrt{3}\tan\theta[/itex].

totally overkill :) just add and subtract 3 from the nominator
 
malawi_glenn said:
totally overkill :) just add and subtract 3 from the nominator
But how do you know what [itex] -2\int \frac 3{3 + u^2}\,du[/itex] is? :-p
 
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pasmith said:
But how do you know what [itex] -2\int \frac 3{3 + u^2}\,du[/itex] is? :-p

Well, a trig substitution is not nessecary there ;)
 
pasmith said:
But how do you know what [itex] -2\int \frac 3{3 + u^2}\,du[/itex] is? :-p

I thought the integral of 1/(x^2+1) was standard to know
 

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