Integrating expression with two Abs terms

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The discussion revolves around the integration of an expression involving two absolute value terms derived from the Fourier transform of Lorentzians. Participants explore methods for handling sign changes in the exponent during integration, as well as specific examples and challenges encountered in the process.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral expression and seeks assistance in solving it, noting the complexity introduced by the absolute value terms.
  • Another participant suggests identifying points where the exponent changes sign and integrating over the resulting intervals separately.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in identifying multiple sign change points, indicating they only find a single point.
  • Further clarification is provided, indicating that the integration can be split into two regions based on a single sign change point.
  • One participant shares a specific example integral, noting a discrepancy between their result and that obtained from a computational tool, raising questions about their integration approach.
  • Another participant attempts a similar integration but arrives at a different numerical result, suggesting potential confusion in the integration limits.
  • A participant describes the behavior of the function in different regions based on specific parameter values, indicating the presence of three distinct regions for integration.
  • One participant acknowledges resolving their issue through plotting but raises a new question regarding the integration of a more complex expression with variable parameters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the integration process, with some finding success while others encounter difficulties. There is no consensus on the correct approach to the initial integral, and multiple viewpoints on handling sign changes remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific integration limits and the behavior of the function in different regions, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made about the parameters involved in the integrals.

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Hi,

I'm trying to integrate an expression I derived from multiplying the Fourier transform of two Lorentzians together. The expression is

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}{dt.e^{-|t + \tau +a| - |t-a|}[/tex]

How do you go about solving this? I tried splitting it up but you have two different values of t where a sign change occurs...

Any help would be appreciated :)
 
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Identify all points at which the exponent changes sign. Suppose you found 4 points t1 - t4. (I made it up). Then integrate over (-infinity, t1], (t1, t2], (t2, t3], (t3, +infinity) separately.
 
I can't seem to get it... I always end up with just a single point where a sign change occurs
 
Okay; so you have (-infinity, t0] and (t0, +infinity).
 
Hi,

I tried with the followign example

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}{dt.e^{-|t + 5| - |t|}[/tex]

And I get [tex]1+5e^{-5}[/tex]

I ran tried evaluating it in maple and it says the answer is [tex]6e^{-5}[/tex]

I don't see what I'm doing wrong I integrated from -inf to -5/2 then -5/2 to +5/2 then 5/2 to inf.
 
I also tried with -inf-> -5/2 and -5/2 -> inf and this just gave me 1
 
With a = 0 and [itex]\tau[/itex] = 5, the plot of -|t + 5| - |t| is increasing for t < -5, constant at -5 for -5 < t < 0, then decreasing for t > 0. So you have 3 regions.
 
Yep thanks for that managed to work it out... It's easy to see the limits when you plot it out.

Though what if you have something like

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}{dt.e^{-|t + \tau +a| - |t-a|}[/tex]

and where tau and 'a' can take any real value -ve or +ve
 
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