Integrating the rational fractions

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The discussion revolves around integrating rational fractions and solving a physics problem involving forces acting on a sphere. The first part focuses on the integration of partial fractions, while the second part addresses the equilibrium of a sphere under the influence of a horizontal force and gravity.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in integrating the expression involving partial fractions and expresses confusion about determining constants in the equation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the constants A, B, C, and D can be found by solving the equation derived from multiplying the previous expressions.
  • Several participants present a physics problem involving a sphere in equilibrium under a horizontal force, with a request to prove that F = mg tan(θ) and to show the work done by F.
  • One participant suggests that the phrase "moves slowly" implies negligible acceleration, allowing for equilibrium analysis.
  • Another participant attempts to derive the force F using work-energy principles and expresses uncertainty about the signs in their calculations.
  • Multiple participants engage in deriving the relationship between work done and the forces acting on the sphere, with varying approaches and some confusion regarding the application of trigonometric identities.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in following the reasoning of another and suggests alternative methods to find the force and work done.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to analyze the physics problem, but there are multiple competing views on how to approach the integration of partial fractions and the derivation of the force F. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct application of methods and the interpretation of results.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the integration process and the physics concepts involved, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in deriving the relationships between forces and work done.

MadPhysics08
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please... i need a help in integrating the partial fractions
i can't proceed to the integration part if i don't understand the patter in finding the constant...
that is...

if the given is:

ʃ ( (x^5+1) / ((x^3)(x+1)) )dx

then;

ʃ ( x-2 + ( 4x^3+1 ) / ( x^4 + 2x^3) )
ʃ ( x-2 + ( 4x^3 + 1 ) / ( x^3 (x + 2 ) )
ʃ ( x-2 + A/x + B/x^2 + C/x^3 + D/x+2)

Ax^2(x+2) + Bx(x+2) + C(x+2) + D(x^3) = 4x^3 + 1 ----- i don't know what going on
in this part
 
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MadPhysics08 said:
if the given is:

ʃ ( (x^5+1) / ((x^3)(x+1)) )dx

then;

ʃ ( x-2 + ( 4x^3+1 ) / ( x^4 + 2x^3) )
ʃ ( x-2 + ( 4x^3 + 1 ) / ( x^3 (x + 2 ) )
ʃ ( x-2 + A/x + B/x^2 + C/x^3 + D/x+2)

Ax^2(x+2) + Bx(x+2) + C(x+2) + D(x^3) = 4x^3 + 1 ----- i don't know what going on
in this part

Hi MadPhysics08;! :smile:

(I assume you mean ʃ ( (x^5+1) / ((x^3)(x+2)) )dx)

Ax^2(x+2) + Bx(x+2) + C(x+2) + D(x^3) = 4x^3 + 1

is simply the previous two lines (except for both the x - 2 s), multiplied by x^3(x + 2)

A B C and D are unknowns, and you find them by solving that equation :smile:

(though I think you can find D using the usual substitution method :wink:)
 
Prove that F=mgtanθ

Can everyone help me to solve this problem...

A small sphere of mass hangs from a string of L as in below. A variable horizontal force F is
applied to the sphere in such a way that it moves slowly from the vertical position until the string makes angle θ with the vertical. Assuming the sphere is always in equilibrium

1. show that F=mgtanθ
2.show that work done by F is mgL(1-cosθ)

__________________________
|\......
|..\......
|.θ.\.L......
|...\......
|...\.....
|...0------F...
0...|......
...|......
...|......
...W......
 
Prove that F=mgtanθ

Can everyone help me to solve this problem...

A small sphere of mass hangs from a string of L as in below. A variable horizontal force F is
applied to the sphere in such a way that it moves slowly from the vertical position until the string makes angle θ with the vertical. Assuming the sphere is always in equilibrium

1. show that F=mgtanθ
2.show that work done by F is mgL(1-cosθ)

__________________________
|\
| \
| θ \ L
| \
| \
| 0------F
0 |
|
|
W
 
MadPhysics08 said:
Can everyone help me to solve this problem...

A small sphere of mass hangs from a string of L as in below. A variable horizontal force F is
applied to the sphere in such a way that it moves slowly from the vertical position until the string makes angle θ with the vertical. Assuming the sphere is always in equilibrium

1. show that F=mgtanθ
2.show that work done by F is mgL(1-cosθ)

Hi MadPhysics08! :smile:

("Can anyone help me to solve this problem..." would be more realistic! :wink:)

"moves slowly" is examiners' code for saying that, at any particular time, the acceleration is so small that you can treat it as zero.

Does that help? :smile:
 
so, let d be the displacement W(work)=F*dcosθ
∑F=ma=0 then,
∑F=W+T+F
W+T+F=0
-W*dcosθ + T*dcosθ + F*dcos(θ+90)

[T*dcosθ=0 because they are perpendicular]

W*dcosθ=F*dcos(θ+90)

but cos(θ+90)=sinθ

w*dcosθ=F*dsinθ
F=Wtanθ
F=mgtanθ

is my solution correct?
 
thnks tim...

Can i asked one favor...
please... i need a hint for the problem number 2...
 
Hi MadPhysics08! :smile:

Let's do part 1 first:
MadPhysics08 said:
w*dcosθ=F*dsinθ
F=Wtanθ
F=mgtanθ

You should say which direction you are taking components in, and why.

Anyway, if w*dcosθ=F*dsinθ, then F = w cotθ. :frown:
so, let d be the displacement W(work)=F*dcosθ
∑F=ma=0 then,
∑F=W+T+F
W+T+F=0
-W*dcosθ + T*dcosθ + F*dcos(θ+90)

[T*dcosθ=0 because they are perpendicular]

Whatever is this supposed to be?? :confused:

Hint: work done = energy gained.

(this is the only reason we bother about work done)
 
okay...

There three forces acted on the sphere:
tension(T), applied force F and gravitational force(mg)

so..
W=T*Scosθ=0
the displacement of the sphere along the arc length is perpendicular to the tension
While..
W=-mg*d cos(θ+90)=-mg*dsinθ (trigonometric identity of cos(θ+90)=sinθ)
because the angle between the displacement of the sphere is more than 90 degrees..
thus...work done by weight is negative
however..the displacement of the sphere started from the vertical position to the slanting position until the two position made an angle θ
and,
W=F*dcosθ (angle between F and d is θ)
so...
equate W to W:
F*dcosθ= -mg*dsinθ (cancel d)
F*cosθ=-mg*sinθ
F=-mgtanθ--------this is my problem...i just end up with negative sign...
 
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work done by gravitational force(W=-mgcos(θ+90)) is negative because it opposed the direction of W=F*dcosθ
 
  • #11
Hi MadPhysics08! :smile:

I'm sorry, I can't follow any of this …

you seem to be using work done to find the value of F. :confused:

1. to find F, just take components perpendicular to the unknown force, whch is … ? :smile:

2. to find the work done, either:

i] integrate the force "dot" the displacement (which works, but is really complicated :frown:), or:

ii] just use the work-energy theorem: work done equals energy gained …

so what is the energy gained? :smile:
 

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