Integrating Trigonometric Functions with Multiple Substitutions

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The discussion revolves around integrating trigonometric functions using multiple substitutions. Participants present various integral expressions and explore different approaches to solve them, focusing on both theoretical and practical aspects of integration techniques.

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  • One participant presents an integral involving a combination of cosecant and cotangent functions, questioning the placement of a term within a square root.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral should be approached with an attempt to clarify the initial setup, emphasizing the importance of showing work for effective assistance.
  • Several participants provide their own approaches to the integrals, with one participant detailing a substitution method involving cosine and sine functions.
  • Disagreements arise regarding the correctness of certain transformations and substitutions, with participants challenging each other's steps and suggesting alternative methods.
  • One participant proposes using the half-angle tangent identity to simplify the integral, while others suggest further substitutions to facilitate the integration process.
  • There are corrections made regarding the expressions used in the integrals, with participants refining their approaches based on feedback from others.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of various approaches and transformations. While some methods are praised, others are challenged, indicating that no consensus has been reached on the best approach to the integrals presented.

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Some participants note that certain assumptions about the domains of the trigonometric functions may affect the validity of the transformations used. Additionally, there are unresolved steps in the integration processes that could lead to different interpretations of the results.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners interested in advanced integration techniques, particularly those involving trigonometric functions and substitutions. It may also benefit those looking to understand common pitfalls and corrections in mathematical reasoning related to integrals.

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[1] $\displaystyle \int\sqrt{\frac{\csc x-\cot x}{\csc x+\cot x}}\cdot \frac{\sec x}{\sqrt{1+2\sec x}}dx$

[2] $\displaystyle \int \frac{3\cot 3x - \cot x}{\tan x-3 \tan 3x}dx$

Thanks pranav I have edited it.
 
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jacks said:
[1] $\displaystyle \int\sqrt{\frac{\csc x-\cot x}{\csc x+\cot x}\cdot \frac{\sec x}{\sqrt{1+2\sec x}}}dx$

I guess the forum requires to show some attempt on the problem.

For the first one, can you re-check with the source? I suspect that $\sec(x)/\sqrt{1+2\sec(x)}$ belongs outside the square root.
 
Pranav said:
I guess the forum requires to show some attempt on the problem...

Yes, our goal is to help with problems, and when no work or thoughts are given, we can't really do that effectively. This does not mean however that you (or anyone) cannot give hints to get the OP started if you so desire. :D
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, our goal is to help with problems, and when no work or thoughts are given, we can't really do that effectively. This does not mean however that you (or anyone) cannot give hints to get the OP started if you so desire. :D

Nice to know that we are allowed to give hints even when no work is shown. I will be posting some problems which I couldn't really attempt. I mean I have no idea where to begin with them so a push in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. :)
 
Pranav said:
Nice to know that we are allowed to give hints even when no work is shown. I will be posting some problems which I couldn't really attempt. I mean I have no idea where to begin with them so a push in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. :)

In the event that you post a problem, and you are having trouble even beginning the problem, as long as you indicate this in your opening post, then our helpers know where to start with giving help. What we discourage is the posting of problems with no indication of where to begin giving help.
 
Sorry friends

Yes pranav it is outside the square root.

My approach for (I) one

$\displaystyle = \int\sqrt{\frac{1-\cos x}{1+\cos x}}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{\cos x+2}\cdot \sqrt{\cos x}}dx$

$\displaystyle = \int\frac{1-\cos x}{\sin x}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{\cos x+2}\cdot \sqrt{\cos x}}dx$

$\displaystyle = \int\frac{1}{1+\cos x}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{\cos x+2}\cdot \sqrt{\cos x}}\cdot \sin xdx$

Now Let $\cos x = t^2$ Then $\sin xdx = -2tdt$

$\displaystyle = -\int\frac{1}{1+t^2}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{t^2+2}}\cdot \frac{1}{t}\cdot 2tdt$

$\displaystyle = - 2\int\frac{1}{\left(1+t^2\right)\cdot \sqrt{t^2+2}}dt$

Now i have edited it.

Now Help me

For (II) one

$\displaystyle \int \frac{3\cot 3x - \cot x}{\tan x-3 \tan 3x}dx$

$\displaystyle \int\frac{3\tan 3x -\tan x}{\tan x- 3\tan 3x}\cdot \frac{1}{\tan x\cdot \tan 3x}dx$

$\displaystyle = -\int\cot x \cdot \cot 3xdx$

Now Help me

Thanks
 
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jacks said:
Sorry friends

Yes pranav it is outside the square root.

My approach for (I) one

$\displaystyle = \int\sqrt{\frac{1-\cos x}{1+\cos x}}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\cos x+1}\cdot \sqrt{\cos x}}dx$

$\displaystyle = \int\frac{1-\cos x}{\sin x}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\cos x+1}\cdot \sqrt{\cos x}}dx$

Nope, this is incorrect. How do you get this?

Hint: Use $\cos(x)=2\cos^2(x/2)-1=1-2\sin^2(x/2)$.
For (II) one

$\displaystyle \int \frac{3\cot 3x - \cot x}{\tan x-3 \tan 3x}dx$

$\displaystyle \int\frac{3\tan 3x -\tan x}{\tan x- 3\tan 3x}\cdot \frac{1}{\tan x\cdot \tan 3x}dx$

Incorrect. Its $3\tan(x)-\tan(3x)$ in the numerator.

Next, can you express $\tan(3x)$ in terms of $\tan(x)$?
 
Thanks pranav.

My approach for (I) one

$\displaystyle = \int\sqrt{\frac{1-\cos x}{1+\cos x}}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{\cos x+2}\cdot \sqrt{\cos x}}dx$

$\displaystyle = \int\frac{1-\cos x}{\sin x}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{\cos x+2}\cdot \sqrt{\cos x}}dx$

$\displaystyle = \int\frac{1}{1+\cos x}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{\cos x+2}\cdot \sqrt{\cos x}}\cdot \sin xdx$

Now Let $\cos x = t^2$ Then $\sin xdx = -2tdt$

$\displaystyle = -\int\frac{1}{1+t^2}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{t^2+2}}\cdot \frac{1}{t}\cdot 2tdt$

$\displaystyle = - 2\int\frac{1}{\left(1+t^2\right)\cdot \sqrt{t^2+2}}dt$

Now Let $\displaystyle t = \frac{1}{u}$, Then $\displaystyle dt = -\frac{1}{u^2}du$

$\displaystyle = -\int\frac{u^3}{\left(1+u^2\right)\sqrt{1+2u^2}} \cdot\frac{1}{u^2}du = -\int\frac{u}{\left(1+u^2\right) \sqrt{2\left(u^2+1\right)-1}}du$

Now Let $u^2+1 = v^2$ , Then $2udu = 2vdv\Rightarrow udu = vdv$

Is it Right or not
 
Thanks pranav

$\displaystyle \int\frac{3\cot 3x -\cot x}{\tan x-3\tan 3x}dx = \int\frac{3\tan x-\tan 3x}{\tan x-3\tan 3x}\cdot \frac{1}{\tan x\cdot \tan 3x}dx$

Using $\displaystyle \tan 3x = \frac{3\tan x-\tan^3 x}{1-3\tan^2 x}$

$\displaystyle = \int\frac{1-3\tan^2 x}{3-\tan^2 x}dx = \int\frac{3\left(3-\tan^2 x\right)-8}{3-\tan^2 x}dx$

$\displaystyle = 3\int 1dx -8\int\frac{1}{3-\tan^2x}dx$

Now Let $\tan x= t$ and $\displaystyle \sec^2 xdx = dt\Rightarrow dx = \frac{1}{1+\tan^2 x}dt = \frac{1}{1+t^2}dt$

$\displaystyle = 3x-8\int\frac{1}{\left(1+t^2\right)\cdot \left(3-t^2\right)}dt = 3x+8\int\frac{1}{\left(1+t^2\right)\cdot \left(t^2-3\right)}dt$

$\displaystyle = 3x+8\cdot \frac{1}{4}\int\frac{1}{t^2-3}dt-\frac{8}{4}\int\frac{1}{1+t^2}dt$

$\displaystyle = 3x+2\cdot \ln \left|\frac{t-\sqrt{3}}{t+\sqrt{3}}\right|-2\cdot \tan^{-1}\left(t\right)+\mathbb{C}$

$\displaystyle = 3x+2\cdot \ln \left|\frac{\tan x-\sqrt{3}}{\tan x+\sqrt{3}}\right|-2\cdot \tan^{-1}\left(\tan x\right)+\mathbb{C}$
 
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jacks said:
Thanks pranav.

My approach for (I) one

$\displaystyle = \int\sqrt{\frac{1-\cos x}{1+\cos x}}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{\cos x+2}\cdot \sqrt{\cos x}}dx$

$\displaystyle = \int\frac{1-\cos x}{\sin x}\cdot \frac{1}{\sqrt{\cos x+2}\cdot \sqrt{\cos x}}dx$

Not correct still.

$$\sqrt{\frac{1-\cos(x)}{1+\cos(x)}} \neq \frac{1-\cos(x)}{\sin(x)}$$

I don't see how you get this.

jacks said:
Thanks pranav

$\displaystyle \int\frac{3\cot 3x -\cot x}{\tan x-3\tan 3x}dx = \int\frac{3\tan x-\tan 3x}{\tan x-3\tan 3x}\cdot \frac{1}{\tan x\cdot \tan 3x}dx$

Using $\displaystyle \tan 3x = \frac{3\tan x-\tan^3 x}{1-3\tan^2 x}$

Good! ;)

$\displaystyle = \int\frac{1-3\tan^2 x}{3-\tan^2 x}dx = \int\frac{3\left(3-\tan^2 x\right)-8}{3-\tan^2 x}dx$

$\displaystyle = 3\int 1dx -8\int\frac{1}{3-\tan^2x}dx$

Now Let $\tan x= t$ and $\displaystyle \sec^2 xdx = dt\Rightarrow dx = \frac{1}{1+\tan^2 x}dt = \frac{1}{1+t^2}dt$

$\displaystyle = 3x-8\int\frac{1}{\left(1+t^2\right)\cdot \left(3-t^2\right)}dt = 3x+8\int\frac{1}{\left(1+t^2\right)\cdot \left(t^2-3\right)}dt$

$\displaystyle = 3x+8\cdot \frac{1}{4}\int\frac{1}{t^2-3}dt-\frac{8}{4}\int\frac{1}{1+t^2}dt$

$\displaystyle = 3x+2\cdot \ln \left|\frac{t-\sqrt{3}}{t+\sqrt{3}}\right|-2\cdot \tan^{-1}\left(t\right)+\mathbb{C}$

$\displaystyle = 3x+2\cdot \ln \left|\frac{\tan x-\sqrt{3}}{\tan x+\sqrt{3}}\right|-2\cdot \tan^{-1}\left(\tan x\right)+\mathbb{C}$

Looks very good to me. Great job! :)
 
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To Pranav

$\displaystyle \sqrt{\frac{1-\cos x}{1+\cos x}} = \sqrt{\frac{1-\cos x}{1+\cos x}\times \frac{1-\cos x}{1-\cos x}} = \sqrt{\frac{\left(1-\cos x\right)^2}{\sin^2 x}} = \left|\frac{1-\cos x}{\sin x}\right| = \frac{1-\cos x}{\sin x}$ for $x\in \left(0,\pi\right)$
 
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jacks said:
To Pranav

$\displaystyle \sqrt{\frac{1-\cos x}{1+\cos x}} = \sqrt{\frac{1-\cos x}{1+\cos x}\times \frac{1-\cos x}{1-\cos x}} = \sqrt{\frac{\left(1-\cos x\right)^2}{\sin^2 x}} = \left|\frac{1-\cos x}{\sin x}\right| = \frac{1-\cos x}{\sin x}$ for $x\in \left(0,\pi\right)$

I am very sorry to mislead you. I posted my reply in the morning when I was in hurry to leave for the tuition. I realized it on my way there. I am going to check your work again.

Very sorry again.
 
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Okay, your approach for 1 in #8 looks good so far but I suspect you will have to use one more substitution after the last substitution you have presented. What I had in my mind was the following:

Rewrite:
$$\sqrt{\frac{1-\cos(x)}{1+\cos(x)}}=\tan(x/2)$$
$$\sqrt{\cos(x)}=\sqrt{2\cos^2(x/2)-1}$$
$$\sqrt{\cos(x)+2}=\sqrt{2\cos^2(x/2)+1}$$

So we have the following integral:
$$\int \frac{\tan(x/2)}{\sqrt{2\cos^2(x/2)-1}\sqrt{2\cos^2(x/2)+1}}dx=\int \frac{\tan(x/2)}{\sqrt{4\cos^4(x/2)-1}}dx$$
$$=\int \frac{\tan(x/2)\sec^2(x/2)}{\sqrt{4-\sec^4(x/2)}}dx$$
Now use the substitution, $\sec^2(x/2)=t \Rightarrow \sec^2(x/2)\tan(x/2)dx=dt$.
Hence, our integral transforms to:
$$\int \frac{dt}{\sqrt{4-t^2}}$$

The above integral is quite straightforward.

I hope that helped. :)
 

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