Integration By Parts: uv-Substitution - 9.2

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \( y^3 e^{-9y} \) using integration by parts and substitution methods. Participants explore different approaches to solve the integral, including uv-substitution and a proposed tabular method.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial attempt at integration by parts using uv-substitution, but questions the appropriateness of the differential variable.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the substitution \( z = 9y \) to transform the integral into a more manageable form, leading to a new integral involving \( z^3 e^{-z} \).
  • A later post provides a tabular method for integration by parts, showing the steps involved in differentiating and integrating the functions involved.
  • Further contributions include variations in the tabular method layout, indicating different interpretations or preferences in presenting the integration steps.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best method to approach the integral, with no consensus reached on a single preferred technique. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective strategy for integration.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the choice of differentials and the appropriateness of the substitution methods proposed. Some participants also express confusion about the initial setup of the integral.

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$\tiny{9.2}$
\begin{align*} \displaystyle
I&=\int y^3e^{-9y} \, dx\\
\textit{uv substitution}\\
u&=y^3\therefore \frac{1}{3}du=y^2dx\\
dv&=e^{-9y}\, dx\therefore v=e^{-9y}\\
\end{align*}
will stop there this looks like tabular method better
 
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I moved your post to a new thread...:D

Did you intend for the integrand to be a function of $y$ while the differential is $dx$?
 
karush said:
$\tiny{9.2}$
\begin{align*} \displaystyle
I&=\int y^3e^{-9y} \, dx\\
\textit{uv substitution}\\
u&=y^3\therefore \frac{1}{3}du=y^2dx\\
dv&=e^{-9y}\, dx\therefore v=e^{-9y}\\
\end{align*}
will stop there this looks like tabular method better
opps should have started a new thread
I'd start off with the substitution z = 9y. Then the original integral becomes:
[math]\int y^3 ~ e^{-9y} ~ dy = \left ( \frac{1}{9} \right )^4 \int z^3 e^{-z}~dz[/math]

Now do your integration by parts.

-Dan
 
not sure about this
\begin{array}{rcl}
u&&v\\
z^3 &+&e^{-z} \\
&↘&\\
3z^2&- &e^{-z}\\
&↘&\\
6z &+ &e^{-z} \\
&↘&\\
6&-&e^{-z}
\end{array}
 
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\begin{array}{rcl}
u&&v\\
z^3 &+&e^{-z} \\
&\searrow &\\
3z^2&- &e^{-z}\\
&\searrow\\
6z &+ &e^{-z} \\
&\searrow&\\
6&-&e^{-z}
\end{array}
$\textsf{substitute $z=9y$}\\$
$$\dfrac{\left(243y^3+81y^2+18y+2\right)\mathrm{e}^{-9y}}{2187}$$

☕
 
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