Integration Help 2: Solving Int. w/ Unknown Method

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral $$\int\frac{2x^2}{2x^2-1}dx$$. Participants explore various methods for integration, including substitution, trigonometric substitution, and partial fraction decomposition. The conversation includes attempts to simplify the integrand and different approaches to arrive at a solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests rewriting the integrand as $$1+\frac{1}{2x^2-1}$$ to facilitate substitution.
  • Another proposes multiplying both the numerator and denominator by -1 to utilize a trigonometric substitution, relating it to the identity $$\sin^2(\theta)+\cos^2(\theta)=1$$.
  • A different participant mentions considering partial fraction decomposition as a potential method.
  • Several participants engage in a detailed exploration of partial fraction decomposition, with one providing a specific breakdown of $$\frac{u^2}{1-u^2}$$ into simpler fractions.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of ensuring the degree of the numerator is less than that of the denominator for partial fractions to be effective.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach, asking for verification of their solution steps.
  • Another participant challenges a previous claim about the decomposition, suggesting an alternative representation of the integrand.
  • Multiple participants provide their calculations and reasoning for determining constants in the partial fraction decomposition.

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There is no consensus on a single method to solve the integral, as participants propose various approaches and express differing opinions on the effectiveness of those methods. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on how to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the need for careful handling of degrees in polynomial fractions and the implications of using decimal numbers versus fractions in calculations. There are also indications of potential confusion regarding the application of partial fractions and trigonometric substitutions.

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I need some help with this integran


$$\int\frac{2x^2}{2x^2-1}dx$$I can't seem to solve this using the techniques that I know.
What method should I use?

 
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Observe that:

$$\frac{2x^2}{2x^2-1}=\frac{2x^2-1+1}{2x^2-1}=1+\frac{1}{2x^2-1}$$

Can you now proceed with a substitution?
 
There are several different ways to do this but the first thing I would do is multiply both numerator and denominator by -1: \frac{-2x^2}{1- 2x^2}dx= -\frac{2x^2}{1- 2x^2}dx. I would do that because the denominator, 1- 2x^2, reminds me of a trig substitution. sin^2(\theta)+ cos^2(\theta)= 1 so cos^2(\theta)= 1- sin^2(\theta). If we let \sqrt{2}x= sin(\theta) then \sqrt{2}dx= cos(\theta)d\theta so dx= \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}cos(\theta)d\theta, and 2x^2= sin^2(\theta). <br /> <br /> We have \int \frac{2x^2}{1- 2x^2}dx= -\int \frac{2x}{2x^2- 1}dx= -\int\frac{sin^2(\theta)}{cos^2(\theta)}\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}cos(\theta)d\theta\right)= -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\int\frac{sin^2(\theta)}{1- sin^2(\theta)}cos(\theta) d\theta and now the substitution u= sin(\theta) changes this to a &quot;rational&quot; function: -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\int \frac{u^2}{1- u^2}du.
 
MarkFL said:
Observe that:

$$\frac{2x^2}{2x^2-1}=\frac{2x^2-1+1}{2x^2-1}=1+\frac{1}{2x^2-1}$$

Can you now proceed with a substitution?

Do you mean $$u=2x^2-1$$

$$du=4xdx$$ there's still an x.
 
I was thinking more along the lines of a trig. or hyperbolic trig. substitution. You could also try partial fraction decomposition. :)
 


Please check my solution.

$$-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\int\frac{u^2}{1-u^2}\,du$$Using partial fraction decomposition

$$\frac{u^2}{1-u^2}=\frac{u^2}{(1-u)(1+u)}=\frac{A}{1-u}+\frac{B}{1+u}$$

u=1; A = 0.5
u=-1; B =0.5

$$\frac{0.5}{1-u}+\frac{0.5}{1+u}$$
$$-\frac{0.5}{\sqrt{2}}\,\frac{1}{1-u}+\frac{1}{1+u}$$

I get $$\frac{0.5}{\sqrt{2}}\ln|1-u|-\frac{0.5}{\sqrt{2}}\ln|1+u|+c$$

$$u=\sin\theta=\sqrt{2}\,x$$I get $$\frac{0.5}{\sqrt{2}}\ln|1-\sqrt{2}\,x|-\frac{0.5}{\sqrt{2}}\ln|1+\sqrt{2}\,x|+c$$

$$\frac{\sqrt{2}}{4}\ln|1-\sqrt{2}\,x|-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{4}\ln|1+\sqrt{2}\,x|+c$$
 
NotaMathPerson said:
Please check my solution.

$$-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\int\frac{u^2}{1-u^2}\,du$$Using partial fraction decomposition

$$\frac{u^2}{1-u^2}=\frac{u^2}{(1-u)(1+u)}=\frac{A}{1-u}+\frac{B}{1+u}$$

u=1; A = 0.5
u=-1; B =0.5

$$\frac{0.5}{1-u}+\frac{0.5}{1+u}$$
$$-\frac{0.5}{\sqrt{2}}\,\frac{1}{1-u}+\frac{1}{1+u}$$

No, this should be $$-\frac{0.5}{\sqrt{2}}\left(\frac{1}{1-u}+ \frac{1}{1+u}\right)$$

I get $$\frac{0.5}{\sqrt{2}}\ln|1-u|-\frac{0.5}{\sqrt{2}}\ln|1+u|+c$$

$$u=\sin\theta=\sqrt{2}\,x$$I get $$\frac{0.5}{\sqrt{2}}\ln|1-\sqrt{2}\,x|-\frac{0.5}{\sqrt{2}}\ln|1+\sqrt{2}\,x|+c$$

$$\frac{\sqrt{2}}{4}\ln|1-\sqrt{2}\,x|-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{4}\ln|1+\sqrt{2}\,x|+c$$
 
In order for partial fractions to be effective, the degree of the numerator must be strictly less than the degree of the denominator, so you want

$$\frac{u^2}{1-u^2}=\frac{1}{2(1+u)}+\frac{1}{2(1-u)}-1$$

by applying the method outlined by MarkFL.

I'd avoid using decimal numbers in the place of fractions: they may be effective for certain fractions but in general do not always lend themselves to an expression that's easy to work with.
 
greg1313 said:
In order for partial fractions to be effective, the degree of the numerator must be strictly less than the degree of the denominator, so you want

$$\frac{u^2}{1-u^2}=\frac{1}{2(1+u)}+\frac{1}{2(1-u)}-1$$

by applying the method outlined by MarkFL.

I'd avoid using decimal numbers in the place of fractions: they may be effective for certain fractions but in general do not always lend themselves to an expression that's easy to work with.

How did you do that expanded form?
 
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$$\frac{u^2}{1-u^2}=-\frac{1-u^2-1}{1-u^2}=-1+\frac{1}{1-u^2}=-1+\frac12\left(\frac{1}{1+u}+\frac{1}{1-u}\right)$$
 
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Equivalently, because I am just not as sharp as Greg1313, and have to work it out step by step, I would rewrite the fraction as \frac{x^2}{1- x^2}= -\frac{x^2}{x^2- 1} and now see that both numerator and denominator have degree 2 so divide: x^2 goes into x^2 once and then there is a remainder of x^2- (x^2- 1)= 1. That is, \frac{x^2}{1- x^2}= -\frac{x^2}{x^2- 1}= -1- \frac{1}{x^2- 1}.

Now, I see that x^2- 1= (x- 1)(x+ 1) so, by "partial fractions" that I learned in Calculus, we can write \frac{1}{x^2- 1}= \frac{A}{x- 1}+ \frac{B}{x+ 1} for some constants, A and B. Multiplying both sides by x^2- 1= (x- 1)(x+ 1), 1= \frac{A}{x- 1}(x- 1)(x+ 1)+ \frac{B}{x+ 1}(x- 1)(x+ 1)= A(x+ 1)+ B(x- 1).

At this point, there are several ways to determine A and B. Since we want to find two unknown numbers, we need two equations:
1) Multiply on the right to get Ax+ A+ Bx- B= (A+ B)x+ (A- B)= 1= 0x+ 1. In order that two polynomials be the same for all x, the corresponding coefficients must be the same: A+ B= 0, A- B= 1. Adding the two equations, 2A= 1 so A= 1/2 and then 1/2+ B= 0 so B= -1/2.

2) Choose any two values for x to get two equation say x= 0 and x= 2: if x= 0, A(0+ 1)+ B(0- 1)= A- B= 1. If x= 2, A(2+ 1)+ B(2- 1)= 3A+ B= 1. Adding those two equations, 4A= 2 so A= 1/2 and then 1/2- B= 1 so B= 1/2- 1= -1/2.

3) In particular, choose x= 1 and x= -1 since they make the two denominators, x+ 1 and x- 1 equal to 0: if x= 1, A(1+ 1)+ B(1- 1)= 2A= 1 so A= 1/2. If x= -1, A(-1+1)+ B(-1- 1)= -2B= 1 so B= -1/2.

Whichever we use, A= 1/2 and B= -1/2 so \frac{x^2}{1- x^2}= -1+ \frac{\frac{1}{2}}{x- 1}- \frac{\frac{1}{2}}{x+ 1}
 

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