Integration of √(1-x^2) with x=sinθ: Check Correctness and Simplification

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function √(1 - x²) with the substitution x = sin(θ). Participants are checking the correctness of the integration steps and exploring alternative forms of the result, while also considering the conditions under which the integration is valid.

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Main Points Raised

  • Several participants present the integration steps for ∫√(1 - x²) dx using the substitution x = sin(θ), leading to the expression (1/2) sin⁻¹(x) + (1/2) x√(1 - x²) + C.
  • Some participants question the validity of the integration for |x| > 1, noting that in such cases, the integral involves complex numbers and suggests using hyperbolic functions.
  • One participant proposes modifying the result to use θ = cos⁻¹(√(1 - x²)), leading to a different expression for the integral.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of differentiating the result to verify correctness.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the substitution and the conditions under which the original integral is defined.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the integration steps for |x| ≤ 1, but there is disagreement regarding the treatment of cases where |x| > 1, with some suggesting complex analysis and others focusing on real-valued functions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the assumption that |x| ≤ 1 for the original integration approach, and the discussion of alternative methods for |x| > 1 introduces additional complexity that remains unresolved.

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Does my below integration is correct?

##\int \sqrt{1 - x^2} \ dx##

Let ##x = \sin \theta##, then
##dx = \cos \theta \ d \theta##,
##\cos \theta = \sqrt{1 - x^2}##,
##\theta = \sin^{-1} (x)##

##\int \sqrt{1 - x^2} \ dx##
##= \int \left( \sqrt{1 - \sin^2 \theta} \right) \ \left( \cos \theta \ d\theta \right)##
##= \int \left( \sqrt{\cos^2 \theta} \right) \ \left( \cos \theta \ d\theta \right)##
##= \int \cos \theta \cos \theta \ d\theta##
##= \int \cos^2 \theta \ d\theta##
##= \int \frac{1 + \cos 2\theta}{2} \ d\theta##
##= \frac{1}{2} \int d\theta + \frac{1}{2} \int \cos 2\theta \ d\theta##
##= \frac{1}{2} \theta + \frac{1}{2} \frac{1}{2} \sin 2\theta + C##
##= \frac{1}{2} \theta + \frac{1}{4} \sin 2\theta + C##
##= \frac{1}{2} \theta + \frac{1}{4} 2 \sin \theta \cos \theta + C##
##= \frac{1}{2} \theta + \frac{1}{2} \sin \theta \cos \theta + C##
##= \frac{1}{2} \sin^{-1} x + \frac{1}{2} x \sqrt{1 - x^2} + C##

Does this correct?
 
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askor said:
Does my below integration is correct?

##\int \sqrt{1 - x^2} \ dx##

Let ##x = \sin \theta##, then
##dx = \cos \theta \ d \theta##,
##\cos \theta = \sqrt{1 - x^2}##,
##\theta = \sin^{-1} (x)##

##\int \sqrt{1 - x^2} \ dx##
##= \int \left( \sqrt{1 - \sin^2 \theta} \right) \ \left( \cos \theta \ d\theta \right)##
##= \int \left( \sqrt{\cos^2 \theta} \right) \ \left( \cos \theta \ d\theta \right)##
##= \int \cos \theta \cos \theta \ d\theta##
##= \int \cos^2 \theta \ d\theta##
##= \int \frac{1 + \cos 2\theta}{2} \ d\theta##
##= \frac{1}{2} \int d\theta + \frac{1}{2} \int \cos 2\theta \ d\theta##
##= \frac{1}{2} \theta + \frac{1}{2} \frac{1}{2} \sin 2\theta + C##
##= \frac{1}{2} \theta + \frac{1}{4} \sin 2\theta + C##
##= \frac{1}{2} \theta + \frac{1}{4} 2 \sin \theta \cos \theta + C##
##= \frac{1}{2} \theta + \frac{1}{2} \sin \theta \cos \theta + C##
##= \frac{1}{2} \sin^{-1} x + \frac{1}{2} x \sqrt{1 - x^2} + C##

Does this correct?
Yes, in case ##|x|\leq 1.##
 
fresh_42 said:
Yes, in case ##|x|\leq 1.##

Why ##|x|\leq 1.##?
 
askor said:
Why ##|x|\leq 1.##?
Otherwise, it won't be the sine of an angle.

The formula for ##|x|\geq 1## involves ##\cosh^{-1}## at least if the integral table on Wikipedia where I looked it up is correct.
 
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If x > 1 the integral is i\int \sqrt{x^2 - 1}\,dx and x = \cosh u with dx = \sinh u\,du and \cosh^2 u - 1 =\sinh^2 u is simplest. If x < -1 then use x = -\cosh u instead.
 
askor said:
Does my below integration is correct?

##\int \sqrt{1 - x^2} \ dx##

Let ##x = \sin \theta##, then
##dx = \cos \theta \ d \theta##,
##\cos \theta = \sqrt{1 - x^2}##,
##\theta = \sin^{-1} (x)##

##\int \sqrt{1 - x^2} \ dx##
##= \int \left( \sqrt{1 - \sin^2 \theta} \right) \ \left( \cos \theta \ d\theta \right)##
##= \int \left( \sqrt{\cos^2 \theta} \right) \ \left( \cos \theta \ d\theta \right)##
##= \int \cos \theta \cos \theta \ d\theta##
##= \int \cos^2 \theta \ d\theta##
##= \int \frac{1 + \cos 2\theta}{2} \ d\theta##
##= \frac{1}{2} \int d\theta + \frac{1}{2} \int \cos 2\theta \ d\theta##
##= \frac{1}{2} \theta + \frac{1}{2} \frac{1}{2} \sin 2\theta + C##
##= \frac{1}{2} \theta + \frac{1}{4} \sin 2\theta + C##
##= \frac{1}{2} \theta + \frac{1}{4} 2 \sin \theta \cos \theta + C##
##= \frac{1}{2} \theta + \frac{1}{2} \sin \theta \cos \theta + C##
##= \frac{1}{2} \sin^{-1} x + \frac{1}{2} x \sqrt{1 - x^2} + C##

Does this correct?
One way to find out is to take the derivative. What does that give you?

-Dan
 
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askor said:
Does this correct?

topsquark said:
One way to find out is to take the derivative. What does that give you?
@askor, this is something you should always do in an integration problem. If you differentiate your answer and get back to the original integrand, you know your work is correct (assuming you didn't make any mistakes in differentiating the answer).
 
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Can I modify the result such as ##\theta = \cos^{-1} (\sqrt{1 - x^2})##,
so that the final result will be ##\frac{1}{2} \cos^{-1} (\sqrt{1 - x^2}) + \frac{1}{2} x \sqrt{1 - x^2} + C##?
 
Hello, anybody home? Can someone please answer my question?
 
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askor said:
Hello, anybody home? Can someone please answer my question?

askor said:
Can I modify the result such as ##\theta = \cos^{-1} (\sqrt{1 - x^2})##,
so that the final result will be ##\frac{1}{2} \cos^{-1} (\sqrt{1 - x^2}) + \frac{1}{2} x \sqrt{1 - x^2} + C##?

Mark44 said:
@askor, this is something you should always do in an integration problem. If you differentiate your answer and get back to the original integrand, you know your work is correct (assuming you didn't make any mistakes in differentiating the answer).
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=d/dx+((1/2)*(cos^{-1}+(root(1+-+x^2)+))+++(1/2)+*x+*root(1-x^2))=
 
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What does it mean? I don't understand.
 
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What does what mean?
What don't you understand?
Have you differentiated your suggestion as recommended?
What did you mean in post #8?
Where are your calculations?
Do you know WolframAlpha?
Did you click the link?
What from the link didn't you understand?

Listen, you cannot come here and expect people to do your work or to guess what you might have meant.
 
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Observe that for ##x \gt 1## the integrand is complex.
$$
I=\int \sqrt{1-x^2}dx=i\int \sqrt{x^2-1}dx
$$
If you want to go further with this; let ##x=\cosh(u)##, ##dx=\sinh(u)du##.
$$
\sqrt{\cosh^2(u) -1}=\sinh(u)
$$
$$
I=i\int \sinh^2(u)du
$$
$$
\sinh^2(u)=\frac{1}{2}(\cosh(2u)-1)
$$
$$
I=\frac{i}{2}\int (\cosh(2u)-1)du=\frac{i}{4}(\sinh(2u)-2u) + C
$$
$$
=\frac{i}{4}(\sinh(2\cosh^{-1}(x)) -2\cosh^{-1}(x)) + C
$$
$$
=\frac{i}{4}(\sinh(2\ln(x+\sqrt{x^2 -1})) -2\ln(x+\sqrt{x^2 -1})) + C
$$
I advise you not to be so petulant when people are trying to help you.
 
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