Integration of Parametric Functions

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The discussion revolves around the integration of parametric functions and the application of the Leibniz integral rule, particularly in the context of composite functions. Participants explore the conditions under which the rule applies and the implications of changing variables within integrals.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether there is a more general form of the differentiation under the integral sign when dealing with composite functions.
  • Another participant suggests that if F(x) is a composite function, the theorem still holds, although the specifics of the application may vary.
  • A different participant provides an example involving the integral of e^{-t^{2}} and notes that the derivative does not match the expected form, indicating a missing factor when substituting x.
  • Several participants reference the Leibniz integral rule, discussing its applicability and expressing uncertainty about how it relates to the specific case of the integrand being a function of t only.
  • One participant introduces "Leibniz's formula" as a potential solution, which includes terms for the derivatives of the limits of integration and a partial derivative of the integrand.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the integration variable is a 'dummy variable,' suggesting that the form of the integral can be interchanged without changing the function.
  • There is a correction regarding the limits of integration in one of the examples, indicating that clarity is needed in the setup of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of the Leibniz rule and its implications for composite functions. There is no clear consensus on the resolution of the initial question, as multiple interpretations and approaches are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of understanding the role of the integration variable and the conditions under which the Leibniz rule applies, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding specific applications and potential errors in reasoning.

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Is there an analog or a more general form of the rule
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} \int_{a}^{t} F(t) dt = F(x)[/tex]

that covers the case of F(t) being a composite function?
 
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I am not exactly sure of what you have in mind. If F(x)=G(H(x)) for example, the theorem still applies.
 
Well, for example, I have [tex]g(x) = \int_{0}^{x^{2}} e^{-t^{2}} dt[/tex], and [tex]g'(x)[/tex] does not equal [tex]e^{-x^{4}}[/tex]. There's a factor missing; I can't just plug x (or x squared) into the integrand.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_integral_rule]Leibniz rule


[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\int_{a(t)}^{b(t)}f(x,t)dx=\int_{a(t)}^{b(t)} <br /> \partial_tf(x,t)dx+f(x,t)\partial_tx|_{x=a(t)}^{x=b(t)}[/tex]
 
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There's an error in my original post. The upper limit of integration should be x.
 
lurflurf said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_integral_rule]Leibniz rule


[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\int_{a(t)}^{b(t)}f(x,t)dx=\int_{a(t)}^{b(t)} <br /> \partial_tf(x,t)dx+f(x,t)\partial_tx|_{x=a(t)}^{x=b(t)}[/tex]

I don't see how that will help since the integrand is a function of t only and the integration is with respect to t.
 
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I think what you want is "Leibniz's formula":

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)} f(x,t)dt= f(x, \beta(x))\frac{d\beta}{dx}- f(x, \alpha(x))\frac{d\alpha}{dx}+ \int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)}\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}dt[/tex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
I think what you want is "Leibniz's formula":

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)} f(x,t)dt= f(x, \beta(x))\frac{d\beta}{dx}- f(x, \alpha(x))\frac{d\alpha}{dx}+ \int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)}\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}dt[/tex]

Thanks! Exactly what I needed.
 
darkchild said:
Thanks! Exactly what I needed.

That's exactly what lurflurf gave you. The integration variable is called a 'dummy variable' so:

[tex] \int_a^{g(t)} f(x)dx[/tex]

is the same function as

[tex] \int_a^{g(x)} f(t) dt[/tex]
 
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lurflurf said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_integral_rule]Leibniz rule


[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\int_{a(t)}^{b(t)}f(x,t)dx=\int_{a(t)}^{b(t)} <br /> \partial_tf(x,t)dx+f(x,t)\partial_tx|_{x=a(t)}^{x=b(t)}[/tex]

darkchild said:
I don't see how that will help since the integrand is a function of t only and the integration is with respect to t.
No, the integration is with respect to x.

The only difference between what lurflurf posted and what I posted is that the "t" and "x" are switched.
 
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