I Integration trouble (integral over a 2-sphere)

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The discussion focuses on the integral over a 2-sphere involving a unit normal and a Killing field, with an initial expression for the integral F. Participants explore the transformation of this integral into a new form, questioning whether a typo may have occurred in the final result, which appears to be rank 2 instead of scalar. The conversation highlights the use of the antisymmetry of the volume form and the properties of the Killing equation to derive the new expression. A key insight involves manipulating the indices and using the properties of the volume form to arrive at a consistent transformation of the integral. The discussion concludes with a confirmation of the relationship between the two forms of the integral.
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There's an integral over a 2-sphere ##S## with unit normal ##N^a## within a hypersurface orthogonal to a Killing field ##\xi^a##$$F = \int_S N^b (\xi^a / V) \nabla_a \xi_b dA = \frac{1}{2} \int_S N^{ab} \nabla_a \xi_b dA, \quad N^{ab} := 2V^{-1} \xi^{[a} N^{b]}$$which follows because the Killing equation is ##\nabla_{a} \xi_b = \nabla_{[a} \xi_{b]}## and we can also write ##\xi^a N^b \nabla_{[a} \xi_{b]} = \xi^a N^b \delta^{[c}_{a} \delta^{d]}_b \nabla_c \xi_d = \xi^{[c} N^{d]} \nabla_c \xi_d##. The original integral is supposed to transform into$$F = \frac{-1}{2} \int_S \epsilon_{abcd} \nabla^c \xi^d$$but I don't see how yet. Can anyone provide a hint? Thanks. :smile:
 
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Did part of the last equation get lost to a typo? The final result is rank 2 (a and b are free) but the original integral is a scalar. Am I missing something?
 
As far as I can tell they're the same as in the book; the indices in this case are abstract, so I reckon the second should be understood as the integral of a 2-form over the submanifold.
 
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After some helpful discussions with @Twigg, here's a possible idea: first we will use that ##\nabla_a \xi_b = \nabla_{[a} \xi_{b]}##, and also use that the volume form ##\epsilon_{ab}## on the 2-sphere is totally antisymmetric, i.e. ##\epsilon_{ab} = \epsilon_{[ab]}##,\begin{align*}F = \frac{1}{2} \int_S N^{ab} \nabla_a \xi_b \mathrm{d}A &= \frac{1}{2} N^{ab} \nabla_{[a} \xi_{b]} \epsilon_{cd} \\

&= \frac{1}{2} \int_S N_{[ab]} \nabla^a \xi^b \epsilon_{[cd]} \\

&= \frac{1}{2} \int_S \nabla^a \xi^b \delta^{[e}_a \delta^{f]}_b \delta^{[g}_c \delta^{h]}_d N_{ef} \epsilon_{gh}

\end{align*}However, since ##\delta^{[e}_a \delta^{f]}_b \delta^{[g}_c \delta^{h]}_d = \frac{1}{4} \delta^{e}_a \delta^{f}_b \delta^{g}_c \delta^{h}_d = 6 \delta^{[e}_a \delta^{f}_b \delta^{g}_c \delta^{h]}_d##, this is simply\begin{align*}

F &= \frac{1}{2} \int_S \nabla^a \xi^b \cdot 6 N_{[ab} \epsilon_{cd]} \\

&= \frac{-1}{2} \int_S \nabla^a \xi^b \epsilon_{abcd} \\

\end{align*}where the last line follows because ##\epsilon_{abcd} = -6N_{[ab} \epsilon_{cd]}##
 
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