Integration trouble (integral over a 2-sphere)

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of an integral over a 2-sphere involving a unit normal and a Killing field. Participants explore the transformation of the integral and the implications of various mathematical identities and properties related to the Killing equation and antisymmetry of forms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral expression involving a unit normal and a Killing field, suggesting a transformation to another integral form.
  • Another participant questions whether a part of the equation was lost due to a typo, noting a discrepancy in the rank of the final result compared to the original integral.
  • A third participant asserts that the indices are abstract and that the second integral should be interpreted as the integral of a 2-form over the submanifold.
  • A later reply proposes a method to manipulate the integral using the properties of the Killing equation and the antisymmetry of the volume form on the 2-sphere, leading to a reformulation of the integral.
  • This reply also discusses the implications of certain delta functions and their simplifications in the context of the integral, ultimately arriving at a new expression for the integral.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the transformations and the interpretation of the integrals. There is no consensus on the resolution of the integral or the presence of typos, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made in the transformations and the handling of indices, as well as the clarity of the expressions involved in the integral.

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There's an integral over a 2-sphere ##S## with unit normal ##N^a## within a hypersurface orthogonal to a Killing field ##\xi^a##$$F = \int_S N^b (\xi^a / V) \nabla_a \xi_b dA = \frac{1}{2} \int_S N^{ab} \nabla_a \xi_b dA, \quad N^{ab} := 2V^{-1} \xi^{[a} N^{b]}$$which follows because the Killing equation is ##\nabla_{a} \xi_b = \nabla_{[a} \xi_{b]}## and we can also write ##\xi^a N^b \nabla_{[a} \xi_{b]} = \xi^a N^b \delta^{[c}_{a} \delta^{d]}_b \nabla_c \xi_d = \xi^{[c} N^{d]} \nabla_c \xi_d##. The original integral is supposed to transform into$$F = \frac{-1}{2} \int_S \epsilon_{abcd} \nabla^c \xi^d$$but I don't see how yet. Can anyone provide a hint? Thanks. :smile:
 
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Did part of the last equation get lost to a typo? The final result is rank 2 (a and b are free) but the original integral is a scalar. Am I missing something?
 
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As far as I can tell they're the same as in the book; the indices in this case are abstract, so I reckon the second should be understood as the integral of a 2-form over the submanifold.
 
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After some helpful discussions with @Twigg, here's a possible idea: first we will use that ##\nabla_a \xi_b = \nabla_{[a} \xi_{b]}##, and also use that the volume form ##\epsilon_{ab}## on the 2-sphere is totally antisymmetric, i.e. ##\epsilon_{ab} = \epsilon_{[ab]}##,\begin{align*}F = \frac{1}{2} \int_S N^{ab} \nabla_a \xi_b \mathrm{d}A &= \frac{1}{2} N^{ab} \nabla_{[a} \xi_{b]} \epsilon_{cd} \\

&= \frac{1}{2} \int_S N_{[ab]} \nabla^a \xi^b \epsilon_{[cd]} \\

&= \frac{1}{2} \int_S \nabla^a \xi^b \delta^{[e}_a \delta^{f]}_b \delta^{[g}_c \delta^{h]}_d N_{ef} \epsilon_{gh}

\end{align*}However, since ##\delta^{[e}_a \delta^{f]}_b \delta^{[g}_c \delta^{h]}_d = \frac{1}{4} \delta^{e}_a \delta^{f}_b \delta^{g}_c \delta^{h}_d = 6 \delta^{[e}_a \delta^{f}_b \delta^{g}_c \delta^{h]}_d##, this is simply\begin{align*}

F &= \frac{1}{2} \int_S \nabla^a \xi^b \cdot 6 N_{[ab} \epsilon_{cd]} \\

&= \frac{-1}{2} \int_S \nabla^a \xi^b \epsilon_{abcd} \\

\end{align*}where the last line follows because ##\epsilon_{abcd} = -6N_{[ab} \epsilon_{cd]}##
 
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