Integration with respect to the counting measure

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The discussion revolves around the integration of functions with respect to the counting measure on the set of integers, specifically focusing on the L^p norm of measurable functions defined on \mathbb{Z}. Participants explore the transition from the general definition of integrals of positive functions to the specific summation form used in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding how the L^p norm for functions on \mathbb{Z} can be represented as a sum, given the counting measure.
  • Another participant outlines a step-by-step approach to proving that the integral of a function with respect to the counting measure equals the sum of the function's values over all integers.
  • The steps include considering simple functions, finite combinations, positive functions, and integrable functions, applying the monotone convergence theorem in the process.
  • A later reply acknowledges the effectiveness of the monotone convergence theorem in this context and raises a question about the measurability of functions when the measure space is defined as a set and its power set.
  • In response, a participant confirms that if the sigma-algebra is the power set of the codomain, then all functions are indeed measurable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the monotone convergence theorem and the steps involved in proving the integral representation. However, the discussion includes varying levels of understanding and interpretation regarding the measurability of functions in different measure spaces.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve all assumptions regarding the definitions of integrability and measurability in different contexts, leaving some aspects open to interpretation.

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I am struggling with convincing myself that if you equip \mathbb Z with the counting measure m, the L^p norm of measurable functions f: \mathbb Z \to \mathbb C looks like
<br /> \| f \|_p = \left( \sum_{n = -\infty}^\infty |a_n|^p \right)^{1/p}.<br />
I know that any function on \mathbb Z is essentially just a doubly-infinite sequence of complex numbers \left\{ \ldots, a_{-2}, a_{-1}, a_0, a_1, a_2, \ldots \right\}, with a_n = f(n). But how does one get from the general definition of integrals of positive functions (which |f|^p certainly is) to the sum that appears above?
 
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So you wish to prove that (if c is the counting measure)

\int fdc=\sum_{-\infty}^{+\infty}f(n)

Let's do this in steps:

1) f is of the form I_{\{x\}}[/tex] (where I_A(z)=1 if z\in A and 0 otherwise), then<br /> <br /> \int f dc=\int I_{\{x\}}dc=c\{x\}=1.<br /> <br /> 2) f is of the form \sum_{k=-n}^n{a_k I_{\{x_k\}}} (a finite combination of things in (1)). Then<br /> <br /> \int fdc=\sum_{k=-n}^n a_k \int I_{\{x_k\}} = \sum_{k=-n}^n{a_k}<br /> <br /> 3) If f is positive of the form \sum_{k=-\infty}^{+\infty} {a_k I_{\{x_k\}}} (with a_k\geq 0). Then we apply the monotone convergence theorem:<br /> <br /> \int fdc= \sum_{k=-\infty}^{+\infty}{a_k}<br /> <br /> 4) Finally, if f is integrable, then we can write f=f^+-f^- and thus<br /> <br /> \int fdc=\int f^+dc-\int f^-dc
 
micromass said:
So you wish to prove that (if c is the counting measure)

\int fdc=\sum_{-\infty}^{+\infty}f(n)

Let's do this in steps:

1) f is of the form I_{\{x\}}[/tex] (where I_A(z)=1 if z\in A and 0 otherwise), then<br /> <br /> \int f dc=\int I_{\{x\}}dc=c\{x\}=1.<br /> <br /> 2) f is of the form \sum_{k=-n}^n{a_k I_{\{x_k\}}} (a finite combination of things in (1)). Then<br /> <br /> \int fdc=\sum_{k=-n}^n a_k \int I_{\{x_k\}} = \sum_{k=-n}^n{a_k}<br /> <br /> 3) If f is positive of the form \sum_{k=-\infty}^{+\infty} {a_k I_{\{x_k\}}} (with a_k\geq 0). Then we apply the monotone convergence theorem:<br /> <br /> \int fdc= \sum_{k=-\infty}^{+\infty}{a_k}<br /> <br /> 4) Finally, if f is integrable, then we can write f=f^+-f^- and thus<br /> <br /> \int fdc=\int f^+dc-\int f^-dc
<br /> Yeah. Thinking about it using the monotone convergence theorem the way you did definitely seems like the best approach. Thanks, micromass.<br /> <br /> By the way...if your measure space is (\Omega, \mathcal P(\Omega)) (a set and its power set), isn&#039;t <b>every</b> function f: \Omega \to Y, where Y is some topological space, measurable?
 
AxiomOfChoice said:
Yeah. Thinking about it using the monotone convergence theorem the way you did definitely seems like the best approach. Thanks, micromass.

By the way...if your measure space is (\Omega, \mathcal P(\Omega)) (a set and its power set), isn't every function f: \Omega \to Y, where Y is some topological space, measurable?

Yes, if your sigma-algebra is \mathcal{P}(Y), then everything is measurable.
 

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