Intensity Level of 76 trombones

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The discussion revolves around calculating the intensity level of sound produced by multiple trombones, specifically 76 identical trombones, given the intensity level of a single trombone at a certain distance. The subject area includes concepts of sound intensity and decibel levels.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the decibel formula and the relationship between intensity and sound level. There are attempts to recalculate the intensity level based on the number of trombones, with some participants noting potential arithmetic errors in previous calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging in recalculating the intensity levels and discussing the arithmetic involved. There is recognition of discrepancies in results, with some suggesting that the calculations could yield different outcomes based on the method used. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the reasoning behind the calculations.

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There is an emphasis on the need for accurate arithmetic in the calculations, and participants are questioning the assumptions made in the initial attempts. The discussion also highlights the relationship between intensity levels and the number of sound sources.

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Homework Statement



If the intensity level at distance d of one trombone is 70 dB, what is the intensity level of 76 identical trombones, all at distance d?

Homework Equations



β = (10 dB) log10(I/I0)

I0= 1.0 x 10-12 W/m2

I = power/area

The Attempt at a Solution



70db = 10db log10(I/I0)

7db = log10(I/I0)

107 = 10log10(I/I0)

107 = (I/I0)

I = 0.00001 W/m2

Then I multiplied that by 76 and put it back in the general equation to generate β = 98db, which is wrong. β = 89db.
 
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Coushander said:

Homework Statement



If the intensity level at distance d of one trombone is 70 dB, what is the intensity level of 76 identical trombones, all at distance d?

Homework Equations



β = (10 dB) log10(I/I0)

I0= 1.0 x 10-12 W/m2

I = power/area

The Attempt at a Solution



70db = 10db log10(I/I0)

7db = log10(I/I0)

107 = 10log10(I/I0)

107 = (I/I0)

I = 0.00001 W/m2

Then I multiplied that by 76 and put it back in the general equation to generate β = 98db, which is wrong. β = 89db.

Your argument seems sound, but you arithmetic must have gone astray.

For each doubling of intensity, we increase 3 dB [10*log102 = 3]

1 trombone = 70dB
2 -> 73 dB
4 -> 76 dB
8 -> 79 dB
16 -> 82 dB
32 -> 85 dB
64 -> 88 dB
128 -> 91 dB

so 89 dB seems quite possible

indeed 10*log1076 = 18.8,
so final intensity is 70 + 18.8 = 88.8, or perhaps 89 dB

[must be annoying to see it is that simple to calculate]
 
You're right, it was an arithmetic error.

Working it through again gave me 88.57dB this time (did it twice to make sure).
 
Coushander said:
You're right, it was an arithmetic error.

Working it through again gave me 88.57dB this time (did it twice to make sure).

You actually should be getting 88.808 dB. Not sure why the discrepecy? your figure is the sound of 72 trombones!
 

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