Intent on getting pure math PHD, start plan B now?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the considerations of pursuing a PhD in pure mathematics while also contemplating alternative career paths, particularly in financial mathematics or software engineering. Participants explore the implications of preparing for these options alongside their academic pursuits.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a strong desire to pursue a PhD in pure mathematics but acknowledges the bleak academic job market, prompting the need for a backup plan.
  • There is a preference for a career in financial mathematics over software engineering due to its connection with advanced mathematical topics, though this is noted as a personal opinion that may not be universally held.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of both mathematical and programming skills in the field of mathematical finance, suggesting that deep knowledge in both areas is crucial for success.
  • Participants discuss the timing of preparing for alternative career paths, with some suggesting that early preparation, particularly in programming, could be beneficial.
  • One participant humorously remarks that securing a tenure-track position is akin to winning the lottery, indicating a perception of its improbability compared to industry jobs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of programming skills for careers in mathematical finance, but there is no consensus on the timing of when to begin preparing for these alternative paths versus focusing solely on pure mathematics.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying degrees of certainty about the relevance of financial mathematics to advanced mathematical topics and the necessity of programming skills, indicating that these views may depend on individual experiences and interpretations.

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Basically what I mean by my title is that I am intent on getting a PHD in pure math because I love the subject, and am still young enough to do it without throwing the rest of my life into disarray. But beyond that I need to have a plan. Plan A is clearly to go on to do several post-docs followed by a tenure track position as a research mathematician. However, it has been made abundantly clear to me that the prospects in academia are quite bleak, hence I need a plan B.

The two career options I hear over and over again for math phd's are software engineer or financial mathematician. Of these two I think I would prefer being a financial mathematician, as, in contrast to software engineering, it seems to intersect non-trivially with some advanced topics in math, specifically measure-theoretic probability and real/fourier analysis ( please correct me if I am misinformed in regard to this assumption ). Plus I find economics and finance interesting subjects in their own right, although of course not hardly as interesting as I find pure mathematics.

My question is: should I start preparing now? I will probably be applying to PHD programs either next fall or the fall after that, depending on how many graduate courses I want to take before I apply, so should I just buckle down on the pure math for now and worry about preparing for plan B maybe as I'm finishing up my PHD? Or, should I begin studying finance and applied math, and learning to program, now?
 
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It never hurts to prepare early. The programming is a good idea to learn
 
Poopsilon said:
The two career options I hear over and over again for math phd's are software engineer or financial mathematician. Of these two I think I would prefer being a financial mathematician, as, in contrast to software engineering, it seems to intersect non-trivially with some advanced topics in math, specifically measure-theoretic probability and real/fourier analysis

Most people working in mathematical finance have to have both computer skills and mathematical skills. Measure-theoretic probability and Fourier analysis are heavily used in finance, but in most situations you are applying them to input data, which means that there are non-trivial software engineering issues.

Also the really, really valuable skills require deep knowledge of both math and software engineering. It's the difference between being able to program in Mathematica and/or Maple and being able to program Mathematica and/or Maple from scratch.

So should I just buckle down on the pure math for now and worry about preparing for plan B maybe as I'm finishing up my PHD? Or, should I begin studying finance and applied math, and learning to program, now?

It won't hurt to start learning to program now.

Also, getting a job in industry is plan A. Getting a tenure-track position is if you win the lottery and that's plan B.
 
Also, getting a job in industry is plan A. Getting a tenure-track position is if you win the lottery and that's plan B.

lol, fair enough, so what you're saying is that the finance can probably wait as what is really important is that I'm a programming god by the time I start interviewing for positions?
 

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