Interacting forces/inclined plane problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block on an inclined plane connected to a hanging mass via a pulley. The problem includes parameters such as the angle of the incline, coefficients of friction, and the mass of the hanging block, with participants attempting to determine the acceleration of the system.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of equations of motion and forces acting on the blocks. There is a focus on the tension in the string, the forces due to gravity, and friction. Questions arise regarding the adequacy of the provided equations and the identification of unknowns in the problem.

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Some participants have offered insights into the need for additional equations and considerations, such as free body diagrams (FBD) and the conditions of the system prior to the nudge. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note that the problem presents multiple unknowns, including tension and mass, which complicates the solution process. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the system's state before the nudge and the implications of the coefficients of friction.

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I am having a promlem figuring the acceleration:

Figure shows a block of mass m resting on a 20 degree slope. The block has coefficients of friction mu_s =0.80 and mu_k =0.50 with the surface. It is connected via a massless string over a massless, frictionless pulley to a hanging block of mass 2.0 kg.

If this minimum mass is nudged ever so slightly, it will start being pulled up the incline. What acceleration will it have?

My equation I have is:

T-f_k-(mg*sin(theta))=m*a

where f_k=u_k*(mg*cos(theta))

I keep getting the answer wrong. Is it my formula?
 
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fsm said:
I am having a promlem figuring the acceleration:

Figure shows a block of mass m resting on a 20 degree slope. The block has coefficients of friction mu_s =0.80 and mu_k =0.50 with the surface. It is connected via a massless string over a massless, frictionless pulley to a hanging block of mass 2.0 kg.

If this minimum mass is nudged ever so slightly, it will start being pulled up the incline. What acceleration will it have?

My equation I have is:

T-f_k-(mg*sin(theta))=m*a

where f_k=u_k*(mg*cos(theta))

I keep getting the answer wrong. Is it my formula?
Formula is looking good, real good. However, it can't be solved alone, since there are 3 unknowns (T, m, and a). You need a couple of more equations. How about an FBD of the 2 Kg mass after the nudge?? And, what can you conclude from the condition of the system BEFORE it was nudged??
 
I know the tension and mass. I'm trying to figure out the acceleration. When I use the above formula I get a wrong answer.
 
fsm said:
I know the tension and mass. I'm trying to figure out the acceleration. When I use the above formula I get a wrong answer.
How do you know the tension and how do you know the mass? Neither of them is given in the problem. Perhaps it is what you think you know that is leading you in the wrong direction.
 

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