Interacting gravitational fields

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interaction of gravitational fields, particularly in the context of Newtonian gravity and General Relativity (GR). Participants explore how these fields influence each other and the implications for areas of space affected by multiple gravitational sources, including practical examples like ocean tides.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how gravitational fields interact and what occurs in regions influenced by multiple fields, suggesting ocean tides as an example.
  • Another participant explains that in Newtonian gravity, the equations are linear, allowing for the addition of individual fields to determine the total field, while in GR, the equations are non-linear, complicating the addition of fields.
  • A further contribution reiterates that in weak field environments, such as the solar system, the fields can effectively add linearly in GR, but non-linear effects must be considered in extreme environments like neutron stars and black holes.
  • One participant seeks clarification on how space itself reacts to the warping caused by multiple gravitational fields.
  • Another participant emphasizes that outside the Newtonian limit, numerical solutions to the Einstein Field Equations (EFE) are necessary due to the complexities introduced by non-linearity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitational field interactions, with some focusing on the linearity in Newtonian gravity and others on the complexities of GR. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific effects on space due to multiple gravitational fields.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in making general statements about gravitational interactions due to the non-linear nature of GR and the need for numerical solutions in various scenarios.

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How do gravitational fields interact with each other? Because the Earth is in the Sun's and the moon is in the Earth's and the sun's. I think ocean tides on Earth is an example of it, but is there anything more specific? What is happening to an area of space inside multiple gravitational fields?
 
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In Newtonian gravity the equations are linear, so you simply add up the various individual fields to get the total field. In GR the equations are non-linear so you cannot simply add up the various individual field to get the total field. So even a simple two-body problem usually requires a numerical solution in GR.
 
DaleSpam said:
In Newtonian gravity the equations are linear, so you simply add up the various individual fields to get the total field. In GR the equations are non-linear so you cannot simply add up the various individual field to get the total field. So even a simple two-body problem usually requires a numerical solution in GR.

For "weak field" environments like the solar system, fields effectively add linearly for GR as well. For accurate calculations (such as Mercury's perihelion precession) you have to take into account not only the Newtonian field acting on objects at rest but also additional effects caused by motion through curved space, but these additional effects are still proportional to the Newtonian field and still effectively add up linearly for multiple sources.

In practice, you only need to take non-linearity into account in extreme environments such as neutron stars and black holes.
 
But what's happening to the space? If it warps one way, how to it react to warping another way?
 
As I said above, unless you are close to the Newtonian limit, you basically just have to numerically solve the EFE for the situation you have in mind. The nonlinearities make it difficult to make general statements of the kind you are asking.
 

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