Interchanging limits and differentiation/integration

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The discussion revolves around the conditions necessary for interchanging limits with differentiation and integration, particularly in the context of sequences of functions. Participants explore theoretical aspects related to integration theory, including the Lebesgue dominated convergence theorem and its implications for differentiating under the integral sign.

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  • One participant inquires about the regularity conditions that allow for interchanging limits and differentiation for a sequence of functions, as well as the interchange of differentiation and integration.
  • Another participant presents a scenario involving a function defined on an open set and a measurable set, questioning whether the equality of partial differentiation and integration holds under certain conditions, and emphasizes the need to change the order of limit and integration.
  • A later reply mentions that the Lebesgue dominated convergence theorem provides a sufficient condition for interchanging limits and integration, requiring the existence of a dominating function that bounds the sequence of functions.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the initial question regarding regularity conditions, suggesting that it may be simpler than it appears.
  • Another participant critiques a statement from Wikipedia regarding the superiority of the Lebesgue integral over the Riemann integral, arguing that the dominated convergence theorem is particularly useful for proving concrete formulas and holds for all measures, not just the Lebesgue measure.
  • This participant also provides an example related to infinite summation, equating it to a form of integration.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the dominated convergence theorem and its applicability. There is no consensus on the initial question regarding regularity conditions for interchanging limits and differentiation.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions for the validity of interchanging limits and integration, as well as the need for dominating functions in certain scenarios. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding these mathematical concepts.

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I am wondering as to what are the (regularity) conditions which would permit the interchanging of limits and differentiation (for a sequence of functions)? What about the interchanging of differentiation and integration?
 
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Suppose \Omega\subset\mathbb{R}^n is an open set, Y\subset\mathbb{R}^m is a measurable set, and f:\Omega\times Y\to \mathbb{R} some function so that y\mapsto f(x,y) is integrable with all x\in\Omega, and so that x\mapsto f(x,y) has the partial derivative \partial_i f(x,y) with all y\in Y. Now it makes sense to ask if the equation

<br /> \partial_i \int\limits_Y dy\; f(x,y) = \int\limits_{Y} dy\; \partial_i f(x,y)<br />

is correct. If we write down the definition of the derivative, we see that the equation is equivalent with

<br /> \lim_{\epsilon\to 0} \int\limits_Y dy\; \frac{f(x+\epsilon e_i, y) - f(x,y)}{\epsilon} = \int\limits_Y dy\; \lim_{\epsilon\to 0} \frac{f(x+\epsilon e_i, y) - f(x,y)}{\epsilon}.<br />

So actually the question is that can you change the order of the limit and the integration.

This is a basic problem in the integration theory: Given a sequence of integrable functions f_n:X\to\mathbb{R}, that converge pointwisely to some function f:X\to\mathbb{R}, on some measure space, is the equation

<br /> \lim_{n\to\infty} \int\limits_X dx\; f_n(x) = \int\limits_X dx\; f(x)<br />

true? The answer is that it is not always true, but the Lebesgue's dominated convergence theorem, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominated_convergence_theorem, describes a sufficient and useful condition that guarantees that the limit and integration can be commuted. The condition is that a dominating function g:X\to\mathbb{R} must exist so that

<br /> |f_n(x)| \leq g(x),\quad\quad \forall x\in X,\quad \forall n\in\mathbb{N}<br />

and

<br /> \int\limits_X dx\; g(x) &lt; \infty.<br />

In similar spirit, a following condition gives an answer to the original problem: If there exists a function h:Y\to\mathbb{R} so that |\partial_i f(x,y)| \leq h(y) for all x\in\Omega and y\in Y, and so that

<br /> \int\limits_Y dy\; h(y) &lt; \infty,<br />

then the differentiation and integration can be commuted.

The proof uses the dominated convergence, and the mean value theorem which guarantees the existence of \xi_{x,y,\epsilon}\in\Omega such that

<br /> \frac{f(x + \epsilon e_i, y) - f(x,y)}{\epsilon} = \partial_i f(\xi_{x,y,\epsilon}, y).<br />

So if you want to commute differentiation and integration rigorously, the ready formula for it is that you must prove the existence of this dominating function.
 
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btw. I didn't answer your first question, because I don't know answer to it. It looks easier at least... perhaps somebody else says something to it? :frown:
 
Considering the fact that the Riemann integral of a (Riemann integrable) function is always the same as the Lebesgue integral, the comment in Wikipedia:

This theorem shows the superiority of the Lebesgue integral over the Riemann integral for many theoretical purposes.

Is not very correct IMO. Besides, according to my experience (which is not very much of experience yet, but anyway...), the dominated convergence is useful especially when you want to actually prove some concrete formulas.

Also, part of the power of the theorem lies in the fact that it holds for all measures, not only for the Lebesgue measure. So it can be used to prove, for example, formulas like this:

<br /> \lim_{k\to \infty} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_{n,k} = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \big(\lim_{k\to\infty} a_{n,k}\big)<br />

Since the infinite summation is an integration of certain kind.
 

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