Intergalactic Space: Time, Radiation & Distance

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The discussion centers on the effects of time, radiation, and distance in intergalactic space, particularly regarding the implications for aging and the challenges posed by vast distances and low gravitational fields. Participants explore theoretical concepts and comparisons between different cosmic environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the vast distances between galaxies may be impassable for any life form without theoretical traversable wormholes.
  • Another participant argues that while time slows in high gravity areas, the effect on aging in intergalactic space is likely negligible compared to the gravitational influences of planets like Earth and the Sun.
  • It is noted that time dilation effects are measurable but may not be significant for aging, with specific reference to the differences in time experienced on Earth versus interstellar space.
  • A participant introduces neutron stars as having significant gravitational effects, potentially relevant to the discussion of time dilation.
  • Concerns are raised about social issues related to time dilation for an interstellar civilization, particularly due to high-speed travel, which is a common theme in science fiction.
  • One participant reflects on their initial misconceptions about intergalactic space, clarifying that it is perceived as very empty, similar to interstellar and interplanetary spaces.
  • The idea of accelerated aging in intergalactic space is compared to effects near a theoretical white hole, suggesting a misunderstanding of gravitational influences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of time dilation in intergalactic space, with some suggesting it is negligible while others highlight potential social implications for civilizations traveling at high speeds. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the discussion involves complex concepts of gravitational time dilation and its effects, which may depend on specific conditions and assumptions about cosmic environments.

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Upfront: I have no formal training.

While the distances of interstellar space are forbiddingly huge, the distances between galaxies would seem to be impassable for any life form, no matter how advanced, barring (very) theoretical traversable wormholes.

Aside from radiation and the tyranny of distance, I'm wondering if another hazard of intergalactic space might be the effect on time in zones of space far removed from our familiar gravitational fields. Given that time slows in high gravity areas like black holes, would it follow that accelerated ageing could be as issue for any entity - biological or otherwise - that finds itself in intergalactic space?
 
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Greta said:
Given that time slows in high gravity areas like black holes, would it follow that accelerated ageing could be as issue for any entity - biological or otherwise - that finds itself in intergalactic space?

If you compare interstellar space with the surface of normal planets where life can be expected to exists, then I would say no.

For instance, if you include the gravitational field of the Sun and Earth then time dilation [1] will make the year around 487 milliseconds shorter on the surface of Earth per year compared to interstellar space (465 ms from being in a circular orbit around the Sun and 22 ms from being on the Earths surface). It will be a measurable effect, but not one I can imagine being significant for aging.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation
 
Filip Larsen said:
If you compare interstellar space with the surface of normal planets where life can be expected to exists, then I would say no.

For instance, if you include the gravitational field of the Sun and Earth then time dilation [1] will make the year around 487 milliseconds shorter on the surface of Earth per year compared to interstellar space (465 ms from being in a circular orbit around the Sun and 22 ms from being on the Earths surface). It will be a measurable effect, but not one I can imagine being significant for aging.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation

Thanks Filip. To check my understanding, barring time-sensitive equipment like GPS, time dilation differences in space are only significant as regards the extreme gravity of black holes.

Cheers
 
You could toss neutron stars into the mix, they have pretty deep gravity wells
 
Greta said:
To check my understanding, barring time-sensitive equipment like GPS, time dilation differences in space are only significant as regards the extreme gravity of black holes.

If you are still talking about aging, then it is difficult to imagine that gravitational time dilation would be a significant problem for the general population of a interstellar civilization. However, it is not difficult to imagine an interstellar civilization having "social" issues with time dilation due to high speed travelling, a subject often explored by science fiction writers. I guess it really comes down to what underlying situation you have in mind with your question.
 
Cheers Chronos. Wiki tells me that time dilation on a neutron star is significant, but not profound, the example given being: "eight years could pass on the surface of a neutron star, yet ten years would have passed on Earth, not including the time-dilation effect of their very rapid rotation".

Filip Larsen said:
If you are still talking about aging, then it is difficult to imagine that gravitational time dilation would be a significant problem for the general population of a interstellar civilization. However, it is not difficult to imagine an interstellar civilization having "social" issues with time dilation due to high speed travelling, a subject often explored by science fiction writers. I guess it really comes down to what underlying situation you have in mind with your question.
Not interstellar space, Filip, intergalactic space. Whatever, the distinction in context is probably moot. My initial misconception seemed to be imagining intergalactic space to be significantly less empty than interplanetary or interstellar space. The impression I now have is that all of space - interplanetary, interstellar and intergalactic - is very empty (speaking as a denizen of a massive planet), with total energy per centimetre small enough to be measured in ergs.

I was naively imagining intergalactic space to act like a reverse black hole, in which one ages and dissipates in an instant due to an almost complete lack of gravity. I can now see that the accelerated ageing effect described would logically be the effect near a theoretical white hole, that would be separated from the universe by an event horizon in which nothing within the universe can enter.

Thanks to you and Chronos for helping to clarify.
 

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