Intermolecular Forces: Dipole-Dipole, London Dispersion, H Bonding

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature and strength of intermolecular forces, specifically comparing dipole-dipole interactions, London dispersion forces, and hydrogen bonding. Participants explore how to identify these forces in various molecules and consider related concepts such as ion-dipole interactions and polarizability.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions which intermolecular force is the strongest among dipole-dipole, London dispersion, and hydrogen bonding.
  • Another participant suggests metallic bonds as a possible consideration, though it is not directly related to the original question.
  • A participant provides a brief overview of intermolecular forces, stating that hydrogen bonds are typically the strongest, followed by London dispersion forces, which are the weakest. They mention that hydrogen bonds occur when hydrogen is bonded to F, O, or N.
  • There is a discussion about the interaction of metal ions with water molecules in acidic solutions, raising questions about the nature of the bonds formed.
  • A participant inquires about the strongest intermolecular force present in CHF3, suggesting it might be dipole-dipole, and compares CH3OH and CH2F2 regarding hydrogen bonding.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the nature of bonds in carbon-fluorine compounds and speculates on the potential for hydrogen bonding with fluorine.
  • A later reply reflects on the relationship between molecular size and state at different temperatures, suggesting that larger molecules have lower velocities, which may influence their physical state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the strength and identification of intermolecular forces, with no consensus reached on the strongest force or the specifics of bonding in certain compounds.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the strength of intermolecular forces depend on specific conditions and definitions, and there are unresolved questions regarding the nature of interactions in certain molecular scenarios.

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what is the strongest intermolecular force, dipole-dipole, london dispersion, or hydrogen bonding.
also, how do you know if a molecule is dipole-dipole, london dispersion, or dydrogen?
 
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metallic bonds maybe?
 
Any book or site will give you a good answer to your question, I'm just going to be short and sweet to the point with some old notes

Typically in intermolecular forces hydrogen bonds are the strongest they range from 10 to 40kjmol^-1. London dispersion or dispersion if you want to call that are the weakest, all molecules have ld. H-bonds are usually hydrogens bonded to F, O, N. Its not an actual bond, just a bridge. For ion-dipole, you get an ion interacting w/ permanent dipoles. Think of acetic acid (CH3COOH). O in CH3COOH has partial - charge, while C, guy below has a partial + charge.

Polarizability is also important b/c it describes electrons shifting. Butane has greater tendencies for induced polarizability than branched chains.
 
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when an acid is dissolved in water it ionizes and thereby adds protons to the water. when a piece of metal is placed into the acidic water the metal atoms ionize and replace the protons which bubble out as hydrogen. presumably therefore they must form a stronger bond with the water than the protons do. what sort of bond do the metal ions form with the water molecules?
 
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what type of intermolecular force is strongest present in CHF3?
-dispersion
-dipole-dipole
-hydrogen bonding
-ion-dipole

Is it dipole-dipole?

Also which compound exhibits hydrogen bonding as its strongest intermolecular force?
CH3OH or CH2F2

is it CH3OH? CH2F2 doesn't have a hydrogen bond does it, since the hydrogens and the fluorines are only bonded with carbon?
 
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well i don't know the answer to your questions but that won't stop me from responding.

hydrogen bonds with carbon with a covalent bond while fluorine bonds ionicly. each fluorine pulls a single electron off the carbon atton. so the carbon atom is surrounded by fluorine atoms whose valance shells are completely filled up. this is similar to the electronic configuration of noble gases. I would assume that is why such carbon compounds have 'nonstick' properties.

obviously you still have ionic intermolecular forces.

I really don't see any reason why hydrogen bonds wouldn't form with the fluorine atoms but I don't really know enough about it to say one way or the other.
 
btw, you know it only just occurred to me why larger molecules are liquids at higher temperatures. its because larger molecules have lower velocities at any given temperature than smaller molecules. I always thought it was because the intermolecular forces were stronger.
 

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