Internal energy of a gas and kinetic energy, "typical velocity"

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The discussion centers on the internal energy of a diatomic gas and its relationship to kinetic energy and typical velocity. The average kinetic energy per particle is correctly identified as K_avg = 3/2kT, but it must be multiplied by Avogadro's number for calculations involving one mole. The term "typical velocity" is clarified as potentially misleading, as it may refer to root mean squared velocity rather than the probable velocity. Additionally, the internal energy for nitrogen is confirmed to be 3/2 rather than 5/2 due to the specific degrees of freedom considered.

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Relevant Equations
Kavg = 3/2kt
Source: Shankar Yale OCW physics
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I have three questions here:

1. K_avg is 3/2kT, sure. But isn't this the kinetic energy of one particle only? So why isn't the answer multiplied by avogadro's number (because one mole).

2. When doing the "typical velocity" derivation, I noticed that they used the root mean squared formula to derive the expression there. But I would think "typical velocity" means the probable velocity, i.e. the velocity when dP/dv = 0 in the probability vs velocity curve.

3. Just wondering, as nitrogen is a diatomic gas, why doesn't the internal energy have a factor of 5/2 as opposed to 3/2?

Thanks!
 
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laser said:
Homework Statement: See description
Relevant Equations: Kavg = 3/2kt

Source: Shankar Yale OCW physics
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I have three questions here:

1. K_avg is 3/2kT, sure. But isn't this the kinetic energy of one particle only? So why isn't the answer multiplied by avogadro's number (because one mole).

2. When doing the "typical velocity" derivation, I noticed that they used the root mean squared formula to derive the expression there. But I would think "typical velocity" means the probable velocity, i.e. the velocity when dP/dv = 0 in the probability vs velocity curve.

3. Just wondering, as nitrogen is a diatomic gas, why doesn't the internal energy have a factor of 5/2 as opposed to 3/2?

Thanks!
  1. You are right and the answer is wrong. The average energy needs to be multiplied by Avogadro's number.
  2. "Typical" velocity is not typical use. It could mean r.m.s. velocity in the problem author's mind.
  3. Because the author of the solution apparently doesn't know the difference between the two or has calculated the internal energy of a diatomic molecule in the approximation ##2 \approx 1.##
Also note that the answer T = 244000 K is 10 times larger than the correct answer. The author of the solution has noted that it "is clearly a very high temperature" but has not considered that there might be a calculational error here.

I suggest that you reconsider this site as a source of learning.

Edited to fix problem with not considering the volume. See posts #5 and #6.
 
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kuruman said:
Also note that the answer T = 244000 K is 10 times larger than the correct answer.
I think it is correct
 
laser said:
I think it is correct
I don't think so.
##2\times 1.013\times 10^5=202,600##. If you divide by 8.314, you don't get ##244,000## which is a larger number. when multiplied by the volume gives the right answer.

Edited to fix problem with not considering the volume. See posts #5 and #6.
 
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kuruman said:
I don't think so.
##2\times 1.013\times 10^5=202,600##. If you divide by 8.314, you don't get ##244,000## which is a larger number.
volume is 10 m^3
 
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Ah, yes. That's what I missed.
 
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