• Support PF! Buy your school textbooks, materials and every day products via PF Here!

Quantum Interpretations of QM in different countries

DarMM

Science Advisor
Gold Member
1,792
886
More a sociological question.

I was talking to a former Japanese colleague by email recently and he mentioned that the Copenhagen interpretation is almost universally accepted there. I already knew Huzihiro Araki and many other researchers from Japan in mathematical field theory take a fairly orthodox Copenhagen view. I later found a quote by Rosenfeld:

"[In 1961] I had occasion to discuss Bohr's ideas with the great Japanese physicist [Yukawa], whose conception of the meson with its complementary aspects of elementary particle and field of nuclear force is one of the most striking illustrations of the fruitfulness of the new way of looking at things that we owe to Neils Bohr. I asked Yukawa whether the Japanese physicists had the same difficulty as their Western colleagues in assimilating the idea of complementarity ... He answered No, Bohr's argumentation has always appeared quite evident to us; ... you see, we in Japan have not been corrupted by Aristotle."
Rosenfeld, L., Physics Today 16, (Oct 1963), pg. 47.


This led me to wonder is there any accounts out there of how QM was received in different countries. I'd be particularly interested in Japan and China.
 
Last edited:

vanhees71

Science Advisor
Insights Author
Gold Member
12,721
4,896
Great! The less one is corrupted by philosophy the less difficulties one has with unnecessary quibbles according to prejudices.

I'm not an expert about the interesting question, how general cultural traditions in different societies affect the general methodology of doing (theoretical) physics, but I always had the impression that the Japanese are more inclined to the mathematical approach and thus they are quite immune against philosophical gibbering compared to the europeans, particularly Germans, where a considerable portion of educated people are "against math".
 

haushofer

Science Advisor
Insights Author
2,207
549
Wat on earth is "being corrupted by philosophy"? And the other way around: can philosophy also be corrupted by physics? "Shut up and philosophise"?

More ontopic: maybe it depends on the philosophical background of Asian countries. Eastern philosophy varies drastically on certain topics from Western philosophies. :)
 

almostvoid

Gold Member
17
6
Great! The less one is corrupted by philosophy the less difficulties one has with unnecessary quibbles according to prejudices.

I'm not an expert about the interesting question, how general cultural traditions in different societies affect the general methodology of doing (theoretical) physics, but I always had the impression that the Japanese are more inclined to the mathematical approach and thus they are quite immune against philosophical gibbering compared to the europeans, particularly Germans, where a considerable portion of educated people are "against math".
oh dear, the thinkers pollute the purity of an imagined mathematical universe. What are humans doing investigating the nature of reality. Science emerged out of philosophical enquiry and the laboratory if the alchemists. Remember mathematics is symbolic abstractions computating imagined probabilities according to its own self defined limits. This is not to deny its value. Just that there are no absolutes.
 

Demystifier

Science Advisor
Insights Author
2018 Award
9,967
2,940
Why is this thread in the textbook forum? :oops:
 

atyy

Science Advisor
13,473
1,601
Why is this thread in the textbook forum? :oops:
Maybe there is no Japanese translation of Ballentine, so the Japanese haven't been corrupted by it ....
 

DarMM

Science Advisor
Gold Member
1,792
886

Lord Jestocost

Gold Member
2018 Award
406
264
.......that the Japanese are more inclined to the mathematical approach and thus they are quite immune against philosophical gibbering
Otto Robert Frisch in “What Little I Remember”:

"I remember an occasion when after a lengthy discussion on the fundamental problems of quantum theory a visitor said 'It makes me quite giddy to think about these problems.' Bohr immediately rounded on him and said 'But, but, but...if anybody says he can think about quantum theory without getting giddy it merely shows that he hasn't understood the first thing about it!' He never trusted a purely formal or mathematical argument. 'No, no' he would say 'You are not thinking; you are just being logical.'" [bold by LJ]
 

vanhees71

Science Advisor
Insights Author
Gold Member
12,721
4,896
Well, my problem with Bohr is that he's usually not logical ;-))).
 

vanhees71

Science Advisor
Insights Author
Gold Member
12,721
4,896
I'm looking for a textbook on the subject, a proper academic historical monograph.
You mean the history of QM? I guess the multi-volume work by Mehra and Rechenberg is (quite) comprehensive.
 

DarMM

Science Advisor
Gold Member
1,792
886
237
44
It's probably naive to think that there is some form of uniformity in the Asian physicists's thought about QM. It's a mistake that people tend to make when dealing with eastern philosophies.
 

DarMM

Science Advisor
Gold Member
1,792
886
It's probably naive to think that there is some form of uniformity in the Asian physicists's thought about QM. It's a mistake that people tend to make when dealing with eastern philosophies.
Of course. I'm just asking for a history book, not arguing for the uniformity of Asian thought.
 

Want to reply to this thread?

"Interpretations of QM in different countries" You must log in or register to reply here.

Related Threads for: Interpretations of QM in different countries

  • Posted
Replies
2
Views
4K
Replies
16
Views
1K
  • Posted
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • Posted
Replies
2
Views
3K

Physics Forums Values

We Value Quality
• Topics based on mainstream science
• Proper English grammar and spelling
We Value Civility
• Positive and compassionate attitudes
• Patience while debating
We Value Productivity
• Disciplined to remain on-topic
• Recognition of own weaknesses
• Solo and co-op problem solving

Hot Threads

Top