Introduction to Work, do I have the right concept?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of work in physics, specifically in the context of a particle moving under the influence of a constant force. The original poster expresses confusion about applying the work equation to their homework problem, which involves calculating the work done by a force vector on a particle moving a certain distance.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply various equations related to work but struggles with the integral and the vector components of force. They question whether the work done depends on the direction of movement relative to the force vector.

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Some participants provide clarification on the definition of work and the relevance of the dot product in calculating it. There is a focus on the integral form of the work equation and the simplification that occurs when the force is constant and the movement is in one dimension. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the application of the force vector and displacement in different directions.

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The original poster mentions uncertainty about the integral's application and whether they are interpreting it too literally. There is also a discussion about the relevance of other equations listed by the poster, which may not apply to the specific problem at hand.

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I'm just learning work in my physics class and, for some reason, I'm having difficulty understanding it. The problem in my homework assignment asks:

A particle moves 5 m in the positive x direction while being acted upon by a constant force F = <4,2,-4>.The work done on the particle by this force is:


I know that there are several useful equations which I should use when it comes to work,
W = ∫F*dr
K = 1/2mv^2
Ug = mgy
Fs = -kx
Us = 1/2kx^2

but I don't know how to apply any of these equations to this problem. I tried the first but was unsure of what F should be because F consists of i+j+k. I found the magnitude of F and plugged it into F but then didn't know what to do with the integral... so I got ride of it and just multiplied it to 5m.

I got the wrong answer so I tried with another approach. Again, I got ride of the integral because it's indefinite and I wasn't sure on how to find the constant (I am taking this integral to literally? Is it more symbolic than mathematical?) but this time I decided to make F = 4 because, in the vector <x, y, z> 4 was the x, or i, component of the equation, and I got the right answer!

So my question is, does this apply to all cases? If I was given dr and the vector force <x,y,z> does the work depend the direction the particle moves through?

For example,
F = <1,2,3>, dr = 5m.

Particle moves in the x-direction, W = 5J.
Particle moves in the y-direction, W = 10J.
Particle moves in the z-direction, W = 15J.

Thank you for taking the times to review my question.
 
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In your problem and related examples, which are essentially correct, the Force is constant, hence, when you take the integral, it boils down to F.r (the DOT product of 2 vectors F and r, the definition of Work.). The DOT product of the two vectors is FRcos theta, where theta is the angle between the 2 vectors. You might be able to see that when a force is perpendicular to the displacement , it does no work, because theta is 90 degrees and thus cos theta is 0. Only the force in the direction of the displacement does work.
 
You don't need any of the equations you listed except for the first one. The rest are mostly irrelevant, and apply to gravity, springs, or other things that we don't have in this problem. Believe it or not, you need only the first equation, which is the definition of work. But be careful. It should actually be the following:

[tex]W = \int_{\textrm{path}} \vec{F} \cdot d \vec{r}[/tex]

So what you're integrating is the dot product of the force vector with the infinitesimal displacement vector. Notice that this is a special type of higher-dimensional integral known as a "line integral" or a "path integral" in which the integration proceeds in 3D space along the path traveled by the particle. Do not worry though. In your case, the line integral will reduce to a regular 1D integral. The infinitesimal displacement vector is basically the vector that corresponds to moving a really small distance along the direction of the particle path and can be expressed like this:

[tex]d\vec{r} = dx \hat{i} + dy \hat{j} + dz \hat{k}[/tex]

However, in this case, the displacement is entirely in the x-direction, so the displacement vector reduces to:

[tex]d\vec{r} = dx \hat{i}[/tex]

I think you should have no problem taking the dot product of the force vector with this. The path is also 1D here, and just corresponds to a range in x:

[tex]W = \int_0^5 \vec{F} \cdot \hat{i} dx[/tex]
 
cepheid said:
You don't need any of the equations you listed except for the first one. The rest are mostly irrelevant, and apply to gravity, springs, or other things that we don't have in this problem. Believe it or not, you need only the first equation, which is the definition of work. But be careful. It should actually be the following:

[tex]W = \int_{\textrm{path}} \vec{F} \cdot d \vec{r}[/tex]

So what you're integrating is the dot product of the force vector with the infinitesimal displacement vector. Notice that this is a special type of higher-dimensional integral known as a "line integral" or a "path integral" in which the integration proceeds in 3D space along the path traveled by the particle. Do not worry though. In your case, the line integral will reduce to a regular 1D integral. The infinitesimal displacement vector is basically the vector that corresponds to moving a really small distance along the direction of the particle path and can be expressed like this:

[tex]d\vec{r} = dx \hat{i} + dy \hat{j} + dz \hat{k}[/tex]

However, in this case, the displacement is entirely in the x-direction, so the displacement vector reduces to:

[tex]d\vec{r} = dx \hat{i}[/tex]

I think you should have no problem taking the dot product of the force vector with this. The path is also 1D here, and just corresponds to a range in x:

[tex]W = \int_0^5 \vec{F} \cdot \hat{i} dx[/tex]
Thank you guys so much for your help and thorough explanations! I really appreciate it!
 

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