Introductory rotational dynamics/energy conservation question

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The discussion revolves around a problem in rotational dynamics, specifically focusing on energy conservation and the effects of friction on a potter's wheel. The scenario involves calculating the effective coefficient of kinetic friction while considering the wheel's moment of inertia and stopping time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore energy conservation principles, attempting to relate non-conservative forces to changes in rotational kinetic energy. Questions arise regarding the nature of forces acting on the wheel, the role of torque, and the relationship between radial and tangential forces.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various approaches being discussed. Some participants suggest calculating the stopping torque and the necessary tangential force, while others question the assumptions about acceleration and the forces involved. No consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of the problem, including assumptions about constant acceleration and the relationships between different forces acting on the wheel. The original poster's initial setup and equations are being critically examined for accuracy and relevance.

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Homework Statement


Hey guy's I am kind of struggling with this i would appreciate any help

A potter's wheel having a radius 0.49 m and a moment of inertia of 12.1 kg · m2 is rotating freely at 52 rev/min. The potter can stop the wheel in 6.0 s by pressing a wet rag against the rim and exerting a radially inward force of 74 N. Find the effective coefficient of kinetic friction between the wheel and the wet rag.

Homework Equations



kinematics
Wnc = ΔRotational Energy

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok here so i started this one trying to do an energy conservation 74Δx(or θ) + uknΔx = (1/2)iω^2

To represent the non conservative forces on one side and the change in rotational kinetic energy on the other, Δx being the stopping distance that can be obtained from kinematics

then i figured there might be a radial component instead of a torque

ƩFr = n + 74 = v^2/r*m

so the radial component gives u an n i can sub back in the conservation equation and it points in the same direction, is this anywhere near right or should i be representing the forces over a torque
 
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You can figure out what the stopping torque was using the info given.

You can figure out what kind of *tangential* force would have to act to provide this torque.

The coeff of friction relates this tangential force to the radial force (which is normal to the surface).
 
What force is exerting the torque on the wheel?
 
so i guess i would be assuming acceleration is constant get it from α then
(.49)74-.49(Ffric)=Iα
are the radial force and the friction both part of the x dimension? they just get separate equations so
-ukn = ma and n = (v^2)/(r)*m-74
 
kinslow31 said:
so i guess i would be assuming acceleration is constant get it from α then
(.49)74-.49(Ffric)=Iα
Only the tangential force exerts a torque.
 

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