Intuition behind the warp drive

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The discussion revolves around the concept of warp drives, particularly focusing on the intuition behind their operation and implications within a theoretical framework. Participants explore the idea of warping space in a one-dimensional universe and its effects on travel and perception, as well as referencing the Alcubierre metric and its requirements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the utility of a warp drive in a one-dimensional universe, questioning why warping space would not change the travel distance for beings within that universe.
  • Another participant suggests that the time dimension is crucial to understanding warp drives, referencing the Alcubierre metric and the importance of spacetime curvature.
  • There is a mention of the historical context of warp drives originating from a 1960s science fiction TV show, with a follow-up question regarding Alcubierre's proof of concept and its energy requirements.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of the energy and exotic matter needed for warp drives, with a suggestion that the term "unobtainium" could apply to these theoretical requirements.
  • A participant notes ongoing research into the Casimir effect as a potential source of negative energy for warp drive concepts.
  • Discussion includes the idea of a "space-time bubble" created by the warp drive and questions about how one would exit this bubble upon reaching a destination.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications and feasibility of warp drives, with no consensus reached regarding the fundamental questions posed about their operation and requirements.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the intrinsic curvature of space and the necessity of at least two dimensions to discuss curvature meaningfully. There are also unresolved questions about the practicalities of achieving warp drive functionality.

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I have been pondering about the concept of the warp drive and my intuition can't seem to understand the idea fully. I will try to exlain what i have found out so far.

To keep everything simple and stripped down to only the bare essentials, let's discuss about it in one-dimensional universe.

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Black line is our one-dimensional universe. It has length but it has no width and no height.

If the spaceship warped that universe, it would look something like this.

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Left red point is the starting location and right red point is the destination. The distance between green points and red points is always the same for those beings living in that universe, but we ,who are outside of that universe, see it as it is on the image.

Problem emerges here. Let's say that somebody just warped this one-dimensional universe and has stretched the universe so much that on this graph he would be quite close to his destination when we, the outside observers, observe him. He could be close when we looks at the bent universe, but inside his universe he sees no change and the distance is still the same. And if he wants to reach his destination, he would still have to travel the entire distance, which doesn't really explain, why he needed to warp the space in the first place.

Question is, what am I missing?
 
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Warp drives were invented on a 1960's science fiction TV show.
 
Ironmaggot said:
Left red point is the starting location and right red point is the destination. The distance between green points and red points is always the same for those beings living in that universe, but we ,who are outside of that universe, see it as it is on the image.[/I]

Problem emerges here. Let's say that somebody just warped this one-dimensional universe and has stretched the universe so much that on this graph he would be quite close to his destination when we, the outside observers, observe him. He could be close when we looks at the bent universe, but inside his universe he sees no change and the distance is still the same. And if he wants to reach his destination, he would still have to travel the entire distance, which doesn't really explain, why he needed to warp the space in the first place.

Question is, what am I missing?
You are missing the time dimension. If you look at the Alcubierre metric you see that there is a dx dt term. This term is essentially what let's the traveller take a shortcut. Remember, in GR we are interested in the curvature of spacetime, not just space.

EDIT: also GR deals with intrinsic curvature. That is, curvature that can be measured from within the universe, not just to some outside observer. A 1D space cannot have any intrinsic curvature. So you always need at least 2D to talk about curvature.
 
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marcusl said:
Warp drives were invented on a 1960's science fiction TV show.
Didn't Alcubierre come up with a proof of concept though? The caveat being that it requires unfathomable amounts of energy and exotic matter that may or may not even exist?
 
sigma_ said:
Didn't Alcubierre come up with a proof of concept though? The caveat being that it requires unfathomable amounts of energy and exotic matter that may or may not even exist?
Does it matter what you call the unobtainium?
A"proof of concept" would require a demonstration that the unobtainium can actually be obtained, at least, in principle.
AFAIK, there is research to see if the casimir effect can be exploited as negative energy for the purpose.
Note: energy and matter are the same thing.

The drive basically makes a space-time bubble... the bubble travels.
Per the original question... you are basically asking how to get out of the warp bubble once you've reached your destination.
AFAIK nobody knows.
 

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