Inverse of Giant $7 \times 7$ Matrix: Tips & Tricks

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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse of a $7 \times 7$ matrix, exploring various methods and properties that could simplify the process. Participants consider techniques such as the Gauss-Jordan method, properties of orthogonal matrices, and the use of transposes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the possibility of using shortcuts or tricks to find the inverse of the matrix, specifically questioning the necessity of the Gauss-Jordan method.
  • Another participant suggests that the transpose of the matrix might be the inverse, although they express uncertainty about how to prove this.
  • Concerns are raised about whether finding the inverse of such a large matrix by hand is a reasonable homework task.
  • A participant mentions the concept of orthogonal matrices and suggests that if the matrix is orthogonal, its inverse could be its transpose.
  • One participant describes their approach to finding the inverse by assuming a product of the matrix and its inverse equals the identity matrix, leading to the identification of non-zero entries.
  • Another participant agrees with the orthogonal matrix characterization and reiterates that the inverse is the transpose due to the properties of orthogonal matrices.
  • Some participants express differing views on the tediousness of the Gauss-Jordan method, with one suggesting it may not be as difficult as implied.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the methods for finding the inverse of the matrix, particularly around the use of the Gauss-Jordan method versus properties of orthogonal matrices. There is no consensus on a single approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention limitations in their resources, such as a lack of information on orthogonal matrices in their textbooks, which may affect their understanding of the topic.

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How do I go about find out the inverse of this giant $7 \times 7$ matrix? Do I need to evaluate it using the tedious Gauss-Jordan method? Any property, short-cut, trick that I can take advantage of?

$$\begin{pmatrix}
0 &1 &0 &0 &0 &0 &0\\
0 &0 &0 &1 &0 &0 &0\\
0 &0 &0 &0 &0 &0 &1\\
0 &0 &0 &0 &0 &1 &0\\
0 &0 &1 &0 &0 &0 &0\\
0 &0 &0 &0 &1 &0 &0\\
1 &0 &0 &0 &0 &0 &0\\
\end{pmatrix}$$

Your time and gracious help is very much appreciated? Thank you. ~MA
 
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Lets call the matrix you gave $A$. What is the transpose of $A$? That's your answer but I'm not immediately sure how to prove that.
 
Are you supposed to be finding a shortcut or fast method? It would seem unlikely that finding the inverse of a matrix of this size would be a homework task to be done by hand?
 
Hey MaryAnn! ;)

Are you familiar, or do your notes say something about an Orthogonal matrix?
 
I like Serena said:
Hey MaryAnn! ;)

Are you familiar, or do your notes say something about an Orthogonal matrix?

No, we don't have it. I checked textbook's index but could not find any orthogonal matrix entry. But anyway, I found out the least tedious solution: Assuming the matrix is $X$ and its inverse is $Y$, then $XY = I$. Then using the definition of multiplication of matrix, I expanded the seven entries of the diagonal of $I$ (since they are all non-zero) to come up with the $y_{ij}$ that are non-zero. The rest of $y_{ij}$ are zero. Thank you though for pitching in, thanks for your gracious help and time. ~MA

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greg1313 said:
Lets call the matrix you gave $A$. What is the transpose of $A$? That's your answer but I'm not immediately sure how to prove that.

I did that, but its transpose did not take me anywhere. Thank you though for your gracious help, and time. ~MA

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Joppy said:
Are you supposed to be finding a shortcut or fast method? It would seem unlikely that finding the inverse of a matrix of this size would be a homework task to be done by hand?

I think I found the least tedious solution, see my response to I Like Serena. Thank you though for your gracious help, and for your time. ~MA
 
MaryAnn said:
No, we don't have it. I checked textbook's index but could not find any orthogonal matrix entry. But anyway, I found out the least tedious solution: Assuming the matrix is $X$ and its inverse is $Y$, then $XY = I$. Then using the definition of multiplication of matrix, I expanded the seven entries of the diagonal of $I$ (since they are all non-zero) to come up with the $y_{ij}$ that are non-zero. The rest of $y_{ij}$ are zero. Thank you though for pitching in, thanks for your gracious help and time. ~MA

That works as well.
For the record, your matrix is orthogonal because each column vector has unit length, and because each pair of column vectors is orthogonal.
As a consequence the inverse is simply the transpose as greg1313 mentioned. (Mmm)
 
It doesn't look to me like "Gauss-Jordan" will be all that tedious. You should be able to do some obvious "swaps" of two rows to get the matrix to the identity matrix,
 
I like Serena said:
That works as well.
For the record, your matrix is orthogonal because each column vector has unit length, and because each pair of column vectors is orthogonal.
As a consequence the inverse is simply the transpose as greg1313 mentioned. (Mmm)

Thank you again for your gracious help. ~MA

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HallsofIvy said:
It doesn't look to me like "Gauss-Jordan" will be all that tedious. You should be able to do some obvious "swaps" of two rows to get the matrix to the identity matrix,

Thank you for your gracious comment. ~MA
 

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