Inverting Consequences of Uniform Convergence

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The discussion centers on the implications of uniform convergence of a sequence of functions and the relationship between the limit of integrals and uniform convergence. Participants explore whether the condition that the limit of the integral of a sequence of functions equals zero implies that the functions converge uniformly to zero.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that if a sequence of functions \( f_k(x) \) converges uniformly to \( f(x) \), then the limit of the integral can be exchanged with the integral of the limit.
  • Another participant argues that the converse is not true, providing a counterexample where the limit of the integral equals zero, but the functions do not converge uniformly to zero.
  • The counterexample involves defining \( f_k(x) = 1/k \) and a piecewise function \( f(x) \) that does not converge pointwise to zero.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the integral of a function being zero does not imply that the function itself is zero everywhere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus. There is disagreement regarding whether the condition of the limit of the integral being zero implies uniform convergence to zero.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the nuances of uniform convergence and the conditions under which limits and integrals can be interchanged. The counterexamples presented suggest that assumptions about convergence must be carefully considered.

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Hi. Now you probably know that if a function fk(x) converges uniformly to f(x) then we are allowed to certain actions such as

lim<sub>n-&gt; \inf</sub> \int f (of k) dx = \int f dx

In other words we are allowed to exchange limit and integral. Now say we have any sequnce valued function fk(x) . And we also have

lim<sub>n-&gt; \inf</sub> \int f (of k) dx = 0

Does that imply that fk(x) converges uniformly to 0?
 
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Please learn Latex properly.

Indeed, if (f_k)_{k\in\mathbb{N}} converges uniformly to f on some interval [a,b]\subset\mathbb{R}, then \lim_{k\to\infty}\int_a^b f_k(x)dx=\int_a^b \lim_{k\to\infty}f_k(x)dx=\int_a^b f(x)dx.

The converse of this is:

if \lim_{k\to\infty}\int_a^b f_k(x)dx=\int_a^b f(x)dx, does it follow that (f_k)_{k\in\mathbb{N}} converges uniformly to f?

This is not what you asked, after all \int_a^b f(x)dx=0 does not imply f=0 (i.e. f(x)=0 for all x).

The converse is therefore obviously not true. Take for example [a,b]=[0,1], and define f_k and f on [0,1] by f_k(x)=1/k and f(x)=-1 if x<1/2, f(x)=+1 if x>1/2. Then

\lim_{k\to\infty}\int_0^1 f_k(x)dx=\lim_{k\to\infty}\frac{1}{k}=0=-\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{2}=\int_0^1 f(x)dx

but (f_k)_k does not even converge to f pointwise.

For an counter-example to your claim, just take (f_k)_k to be a constant sequence: f_k=f as defined above, for all k. Then the integral of f_k is equal to zero (and hence the limit of the integral too), but f_k does not converge (even pointwise) to the zero function.
 
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Thanks a lot. And will do.
 
You're welcome. You can just click on any equation to see its Latex code.
 

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