Investigating Energy Transfer in a Collision Between Two Cars

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The discussion revolves around a collision between two cars, focusing on the concepts of momentum and kinetic energy. The original poster presents a series of questions related to the center of mass velocity, common speed after collision, kinetic energy ratios, and the conservation of kinetic energy versus momentum.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of kinetic energy before and after the collision, questioning the conservation of kinetic energy and discussing the implications of changes in velocity during collisions.

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Some participants have provided guidance on calculating kinetic energy ratios, while others are engaged in exploring the reasons behind the non-conservation of kinetic energy, indicating a productive exchange of ideas. Multiple interpretations of energy transfer and conservation principles are being examined.

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Participants are discussing the implications of energy loss in collisions, including potential transformations of energy into other forms, such as sound or deformation, without reaching a consensus on the specifics.

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A car of mass m moving East at speed v (v << c no need to use relativity) collides with another car of mass 2 m moving North with speed 3v.

a) What are the x and y components of the center of mass velocity of the system just before the collision?
b) If the cars stick together during the collision what is their common speed after the collision?
c) Determine the ratio of the total kinetic energy after the collision to the total kinetic energy
before the collision?

d) Explain why kinetic energy is not conserved but momentum is conserved during the collision

I got the first two parts but I'm not sure how to find the ratio of kinetic energy! Please help!
 
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You are given the mass and speeds of the cars before the collision so you can easily find the kinetic energy. You say that you found the speed after the collision so you should be able to find the kinetic energy afterwards. So just divide one by the other.
 
Thanks! That was easier than I expected. What about part d? Why isn't kinetic conserved? This concept never really made much sense to me.
 
teeheehee said:
Thanks! That was easier than I expected. What about part d? Why isn't kinetic conserved? This concept never really made much sense to me.

What's the definition of kinetic energy? Does it have to do with motion? What happens if the motion stops?
 
phinds said:
What's the definition of kinetic energy? Does it have to do with motion? What happens if the motion stops?

Oh! It's because velocity changes, right?
 
teeheehee said:
Oh! It's because velocity changes, right?

Velocity changes in an elastic collision too but kinetic energy isn't lost. What happens when two cars collide besides a change in velocity?
 
Dick said:
Velocity changes in an elastic collision too but kinetic energy isn't lost. What happens when two cars collide besides a change in velocity?

Their mass becomes one?
 
teeheehee said:
Their mass becomes one?

No, I'm talking more about loud noises and fenders bending. Could that have anything to do with energy? You've already shown kinetic energy isn't conserved, I hope. The question is where could the missing energy have gone.
 
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