Investigating the Physics of a Candle Seesaw

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The discussion revolves around the physics of a candle functioning as a seesaw, particularly focusing on the equations that describe its motion and the factors influencing it. Participants explore concepts from classical mechanics and thermodynamics as they relate to the behavior of the candle as it burns.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the estimation of equations related to mass loss and center of mass movement, questioning the feasibility of accurate estimates given the complexities of the system. There is a focus on classical mechanics concepts such as torque and the relationship between mass loss and oscillation rates.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being explored, including the influence of mass distribution and the dynamics of the candle's motion. Some participants have provided insights into relevant physical principles, while others are seeking clarification on specific equations of motion.

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Participants are working under the assumption that air currents are negligible and are considering the complexities introduced by the changing mass of the candle over time. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges in calculating precise values due to the chaotic nature of the system.

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Homework Statement



This isn't homework but I don't know where to post this type of questions so I will post it here.

But, I am wondering what are the physics equations that describes the system of a candle that is lit and behaves like a seesaw?

I have attached an image.

Explanation:

A candle, which is balanced between a pair of glasses (can be anything really), seesaws up and down on its own. The motion continues as long as the candle continues to burn.

Homework Equations



Newton's Laws

The Attempt at a Solution



Lets neglect the air currents in the room and since we can't easily calculate the mass distribution as a function of time, let's make assumptions for the mass and length of the candles. Can we estimate an equation for how mass is loss and thus, how the center of mass moves and taking into account that there is chaos in the system?
 

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Robben said:
Can we estimate an equation for how mass is loss
Anything can be estimated. Can there always be a good estimate? Who knows. In this case, you've got two approximately matched wick lengths, a higher melting rate and drip rate on the "low" end of the candle, leading to higher rate of mass loss, on the "heavy" end, and oscillation. Hunt up enthalpy of fusion of paraffin, beeswax, whatever, surface tension of molten wax (gives you drop size), actual burning rate for given wick length, enthalpy of combustion, and have a party.
 
I was more concerned with the classical mechanics equations (like torque) behind it rather than the thermodynamics.
 
Torque is going to be a function of rate of mass loss, drip rate, a function of the burning rate. If you want just to count the drip rates at high and low ends, and look at oscillation rates as a function of how far the pivot axis is above the center of mass that also works.
 
But what will the equation of motion for the candle seesaw be? For example, the equation of motion for a pendulum would be ##\theta''=-g/R\sin\theta.##
 
It's like a horizontal pendulum with two weights, except that the weights decrease in time and the rate of weight loss depends on the angle.
 
bigfooted said:
It's like a horizontal pendulum with two weights, except that the weights decrease in time and the rate of weight loss depends on the angle.

I see, thank you!
 

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