Investigating the water-ice electret

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This discussion focuses on investigating the properties of water when frozen in a strong electric field, specifically using a car battery and parallel plates to create the field. The goal is to determine the dipole moment of the resulting ice and the necessary apparatus for measurement. The polarization density of water is calculated using the formula $$ P = \chi _e \epsilon _0 E $$, with $$ \chi _e = 79 $$ for water. The user seeks guidance on measuring the dipole moment of the ice without moving parts, acknowledging the challenges posed by the small field generated by the polarized ice.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of electric fields and dipole moments
  • Familiarity with polarization density calculations
  • Knowledge of ice phases, particularly ice-eleven
  • Basic experience with sensors for detecting electric fields
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  • Research methods for measuring dipole moments in solid materials
  • Explore non-contact electric field sensors
  • Investigate the properties of ice-eleven and its implications for dipole retention
  • Learn about the relationship between electric fields and molecular alignment in polar substances
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This discussion is beneficial for undergraduate physicists, materials scientists, and researchers interested in the effects of electric fields on molecular structures, particularly in the context of ice and its various phases.

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Hello all, I'm going to investigate the properties water when frozen in a strong electric field for a product I'm designing.

A strong field will align the polar water molecules, and then they will freeze. I'm planning to create this strong field with a car battery attached to two parallel plates for my proof of concept. When the battery is switched off, the lump of ice should retain a measurable dipole moment.

My question is, can anybody help me predict what dipole moment it will have and what apparatus I would need to measure it?

I can work out the polarisation density of the water, $$ P = \chi _e \epsilon _0 E $$ where $$ \chi _e = 79 $$ for water. Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing how much of this polarisation will be maintained when the water molecules shift into a lattice in the ice phase.

In any case, the field generated by the polarised ice once the main field is switched off will be small, and I wondered if anybody knows what equipment I should use to detect it? I'd really like to avoid moving parts if possible, but I think that might be hard when looking for an electrostatic field.

I'm an undergraduate physicist and I'm not very experienced with sensors and instruments for detecting E fields.
 
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