Ionization ENERGY -Why removal of electron from gaseous atom

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of ionization energy, specifically addressing why it is defined as the energy required to remove the outermost electron from a neutral atom in the gas phase, and the implications of removing electrons from solids versus gases.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why ionization energy is defined for gaseous atoms and not for solids, suggesting that the distance between atoms in gases allows for easier electron removal.
  • Another participant asserts that ionization energy is a property of an atom, implying that removing an electron from a solid would pertain to the bulk properties of the solid.
  • There is a discussion about the existence of isolated solid atoms and whether they can be considered part of a solid or gas.
  • One participant explains that atoms in gases are separate entities with minimal interaction, while atoms in solids are held together by interactions and overlapping orbitals, leading to different behaviors in electron removal.
  • A later reply highlights that measuring ionization energy in the gas phase is technically easier and more precise compared to measurements in the solid state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of isolated solid atoms and the implications for ionization energy, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of isolated atoms and the conditions under which ionization energy is measured, but these assumptions are not universally accepted among participants.

gracy
Messages
2,486
Reaction score
83
Why ionization energy is defined as the energy required to remove the outermost, or highest energy, electron from a neutral atom in the gas phase. Why can't we remove electrons from a solid,can we?
If not ,what's the reason?I think we can not remove electrons from a solid because in gas phase molecules or gaseous atoms are far apart so in order to remove electron we just have to overcome attraction of nucleus of that particular atom from which we are removing electrons.But in solid state ,there is attraction between adjacent atoms ,so to remove electrons we have to overcome attraction of several atoms .Am I right?

Sorry if my reasoning is just not making any sense.But in order to correct myself I will have to show my thinking, my views.Doesn't matter right or wrong.
Thanks.
 
Chemistry news on Phys.org
Ionization energy is a property of an atom. If you were removing the electron from a solid it would be a property of a bulk solid.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: gracy
Borek said:
If you were removing the electron from a solid it would be a property of a bulk solid.
Why we can have isolated gaseous atom but not isolated solid atom?
 
gracy said:
Why we can have isolated gaseous atom but not isolated solid atom?

Isolated solid atom is no longer part of a solid.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: gracy
That means isolated solid atoms do exist.
 
No, it doesn't mean that. Isolated atom is not in contact with anything, so it is indistinguishable from the gaseous atom.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: gracy
Borek said:
Isolated solid atom is no longer part of a solid.
In definition of ionization energy ,it is gaseous atom not isolated gaseous atom,right?I mean
Borek said:
Isolated solid atom is no longer part of a solid.
And what about isolated gaseous atom?Is it still part of gas.
 
Atoms in gas are separate entities that - for most time - don't interact (the lower the pressure, the rarer the collisions that are the only interaction). Atoms in solid are held together by their interactions and their orbitals overlap, creating bands (which are in a way equivalents of orbitals spreading throughout the whole solid). These are entirely different situations.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: gracy
Oh!I now understand the whole concept.Thanks a lot @Borek.
 
  • #10
This also has a purely technical aspect: The ionization energy in the gas phase is much easier and more precisely being measured than some energies in the solid state.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
5K
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
2K