Ionizing Photons: Photoelectric Effects Compared

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The discussion clarifies the distinction between the photoelectric effect in ionization and the reflection of photons. Ionization occurs when incoming photons possess sufficient energy to completely liberate electrons from atoms, as described by the equation E=hf. In contrast, reflection does not involve electrons moving to a higher energy state; instead, it can occur with low-energy photons, such as radio frequency waves, which do not have the energy required for ionization. The classical explanation of reflection is well-articulated in the Feynman Lectures on Physics, Vol 2, Chapter 33.

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This is my first time on this forum and my knowledge may be a bit basic but I was wondering how does the photoelectric effect in the ionization of atoms differ from the photoelectric effect that makes mirrors reflect. They both have incoming photons that give their energy to electrons which move to a higher energy state and yet one ionizes but the other reflects. Is it because in ionizing the ionizing wavelengths has more energy as E=hf so they completely liberate the electrons whereas other wavelengths lack that energy? Thanks.
 
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Elliot Fox said:
They both have incoming photons that give their energy to electrons which move to a higher energy state...

This is not correct. In reflection, the incoming photon does not move electrons in the reflecting material to a higher energy state. It is perfectly possible to build mirrors that reflect very low energy photons (like radio frequency) that have energies far too low to move electrons to a higher energy state. Reflection can be understood completely classically by considering a classical EM wave incident on a conducting material. The Feynman Lectures on Physics, Vol2 Chapter 33 has a good explanation of refection.
 

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