IQ scores and learning disabilities.

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The discussion revolves around the use of IQ scores in identifying learning disabilities, exploring the implications and effectiveness of such assessments. Participants share personal experiences and question the validity of IQ tests as a measure of intelligence and learning capabilities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that using IQ scores to determine learning disabilities is counterproductive, citing studies that suggest learning disabilities can significantly affect IQ.
  • Others assert that IQ tests were originally developed to identify mental retardation, which they argue is distinct from learning disabilities.
  • A participant mentions that IQ tests may not be the sole method used to assess learning disabilities, suggesting that supplemental evaluations are likely involved.
  • There are claims that IQ tests can indicate certain abilities but do not reflect a person's motivation or potential for success in life.
  • One participant expresses confidence in their own assessment while suggesting that not everyone is assessed correctly, indicating a belief in the need for improved methods of understanding intelligence.
  • Another participant shares a personal anecdote about their own IQ test experience, highlighting a discrepancy between test results and academic performance.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the value of IQ tests, suggesting that a high score does not necessarily correlate with real-world capabilities or understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of IQ tests for identifying learning disabilities, with multiple competing views and ongoing debate about the implications of such assessments.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the current methods of assessing learning disabilities, including potential biases and the need for more comprehensive evaluation approaches.

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Is it not counter productive to use IQ scores to determine whether a student has a learning disability? Many studies have shown that a learning disability can have a significant effect on IQ (which also leads to the discussion whether IQ scores are effective methods of determining intelligence).

If you can't tell already I do have a bias on this matter because I took an IQ test in 4th grade and I was shown to have a learning disability (slower motor skills). I was also shown to have advanced mathematical and logical abilities.
 
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NafeesR said:
Is it not counter productive to use IQ scores to determine whether a student has a learning disability? Many studies have shown that a learning disability can have a significant effect on IQ (which also leads to the discussion whether IQ scores are effective methods of determining intelligence).

If you can't tell already I do have a bias on this matter because I took an IQ test in 4th grade and I was shown to have a learning disability (slower motor skills). I was also shown to have advanced mathematical and logical abilities.
IQ tests were only created to determine learning disabilities.
 
Evo said:
IQ tests were only created to determine learning disabilities.

Wrong it was developed to identify mental retardation which is completely different than a learning disability.
 
I don't know a lot in this area, but perhaps they use IQ tests to detect the presence of a learning disability.
 
NafeesR said:
Wrong it was developed to identify mental retardation which is completely different than a learning disability.
I was being polite, you yourself said the test revealed a learning disability. It can identify problems.

Is there some point to this thread aside from a personal grievance?
 
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Evo said:
I was being polite.

In what way please clarify?
 
NafeesR said:
Wrong it was developed to identify mental retardation which is completely different than a learning disability.

yes, it was developed to identify mental retardation.IQ tests can detect certain abilities. But just because a person has a high IQ it does not say anything about his/her motivation or success later in life.
 
NafeesR said:
In what way please clarify?
To not insinuate that you were mentally retarded due to a low score.
 
Evo said:
To not insinuate that you were mentally retarded due to a low score.

I did not have a low score, my score was above average. I was simply much lower in one area than others. Clearly you are not knowledgeable in the area of learning disabilities.
 
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NafeesR said:
I did not have a low score, my score was above average. I was simply much lower in one area than others.
Then what's your beef?
 
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Evo said:
Then what's your beef?

I have no "beef," I am simply questioning the majority. If no one were to question the majority then there would have been no advances in science.

EDIT:
I can see how I might have been taken as defensive.
 
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NafeesR said:
I have no "beef," I am simply questioning the majority. If no one were to question the majority then there would have been no advances in science.

EDIT:
I can see how I might have been taken as defensive.
That's fair. Do you think they managed to assess you correctly or incorrectly?
 
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Evo said:
That's fair. Do you think they managed to assess you correctly or incorrectly?

I do think they assessed me correctly, I don't think they have assessed everyone correctly. I think that it is only a matter of time before someone discovers a better way. For understanding intelligence in general I mean.
 
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NafeesR said:
Is it not counter productive to use IQ scores to determine whether a student has a learning disability? Many studies have shown that a learning disability can have a significant effect on IQ (which also leads to the discussion whether IQ scores are effective methods of determining intelligence).

If you can't tell already I do have a bias on this matter because I took an IQ test in 4th grade and I was shown to have a learning disability (slower motor skills). I was also shown to have advanced mathematical and logical abilities.
I don't know the whole method used but I'm sure they don't rely exclusively on an IQ test to determine a learning disability. There must be supplemental evaluations involved. In any event, the real point is to have some kind of data on paper that can be used to get someone access to any dedicated programs and financial help they made need if they have a disability.

A lot of people who receive a negative sounding classification of any kind may misunderstand it as a sort of officially sanctioned social stigma. (In the wrong hands it can have that effect, but that's incidental.) The actual point, is to have something quantified on paper according to some defensible, accepted standards to free up money and resources, or justify diversion into an appropriate learning situation. Legal red tape.

As to IQ tests; they're an excellent indicator as to how well a person may be expected to do on future IQ tests.
 
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IQ tests? It is not that simple:wink: anymore.

http://www.best-career-match.com/multiple-intelligences.html
 
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the last time I took an IQ test was around 4th grade as well. The results weren't pretty, I shouldn't even be able to tie my own shoelaces. But my teachers also realize my marks consistently rank among the top 5 in the class.

I ended up getting a lecture on not taking the test seriously.
 
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You won't find a large fanbase for IQ tests around here, ironically perhaps, among folks who probably "tested well."

A high IQ score, plus a dollar, will get you a coke (as long as you have another quarter).
 

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