Irreducible linear operator is cyclic

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The discussion revolves around the proof of a result concerning linear operators on finite-dimensional vector spaces, specifically addressing the relationship between irreducibility and cyclicity of a linear operator. The participants explore definitions and implications of irreducible and cyclic linear operators, and the challenge of proving that an irreducible operator must also be cyclic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines irreducibility of a linear operator T as having only the trivial invariant subspaces, while cyclicity is defined in terms of the generation of the vector space V by a single vector and its iterates under T.
  • The same participant proposes a proof by contradiction, suggesting that if T is not cyclic, then for every vector v in V, the span of {v, T(v), T²(v),...} does not equal V.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that if the span of a non-zero vector v does not cover the whole space, there exists another vector w not in the span of v, leading to the formation of a second cyclic subspace.
  • Concerns are raised about the relationship between T(w) and the span of {v, T(v),...}, questioning how to establish that T(w) is not included in that span.
  • Repeated inquiries emphasize the uncertainty regarding the implications of the assumption that w is not in the span of v on the behavior of T(w).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the definitions and assumptions regarding the spans of vectors and the behavior of the operator T. There is no consensus on how to proceed with the proof or the relationships between the vectors involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the mathematical steps necessary to demonstrate the invariance of the complementary subspace W or the implications of the assumptions made about the vectors involved.

david34
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I´m having a hard time proving the next result:
Let T:V→V be a linear operator on a finite dimensional vector space V . If T is irreducible then T cyclic.
My definitions are: T is an irreducible linear operator iff V and {{\vec 0}} are the only complementary invariant subspaces.
T is cyclic linear operator iff V is a cyclic vector space (i.e. there is a vector \vec v ∈ V such that V is generated by the set of vectors {{ \vec v, T(\vec v), T^{2}(\vec v),...}}

I was trying to do it by contradiction: suppose T is not a cyclic linar operator then ∀ \vec v ∈ V the generated space by the set {{ \vec v, T(\vec v), T^{2}(\vec v),...}} is not equal to V also if \vec v \neq \vec 0 then span { \vec v, T(\vec v), T^{2}(\vec v),... } is not equal to {\vec 0}.

Moreover span {\vec v, T(\vec v), T^{2}(\vec v),... } is invariant (I´ve already proven it); also I know that every subspace has a complement that is : ∃ W subspace of V such that W ⊕ span{\vec v, T(\vec v), T^{2}(\vec v),...} = V

Then I think a just need to prove that the complementary subspace W is invariant that is : T(W)⊆ W but this is the part that I´m having trouble.

Any comment, suggestion, hint would be highly appreciated
 
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If the span of a non-zero vector,v, is not the whole space then there is a vector ,w ,which is not in the span of v. The span of w is a second cyclic subspace. Both of these subspaces are irreducible and invariant. So what is their intersection?
 
But how can we know that T(w) is not in span{v,T(v),...} ?
 
david34 said:
But how can we know that T(w) is not in span{v,T(v),...} ?

By assumption, w is not in the span of v.
 

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