Irreducibles and Primes in Integral Domains ....

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of irreducibles and primes within integral domains, as well as the properties of infinite rings in relation to the existence of infinitely many primes. Participants explore specific examples and definitions from algebraic number theory, raising questions about implications and definitions.

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  • One participant questions how the irreducibility of ##2## in the ring ##\mathbb{Z} + \mathbb{Z} \sqrt{-5}## implies that ##\alpha \sim 1## or ##\alpha \sim 2##, suggesting that irreducibility leads to certain conclusions about divisibility and units.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of irreducibility and the definitions involved, emphasizing the importance of practice in understanding these concepts.
  • Multiple participants inquire whether every infinite ring has infinitely many primes, with some suggesting that certain types of multiplication may need to be excluded.
  • One participant proposes that Euclidean rings might be a more meaningful context for exploring the existence of primes, while also considering fields and matrix rings as examples.
  • Another participant reflects on the traditional proof of the infinitude of primes and notes that fields do not contain any primes, indicating a potential limitation in the discussion of infinite rings.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of irreducibility and the nature of primes in infinite rings. There is no consensus on whether every infinite ring has infinitely many primes, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which primes exist in various types of rings.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific definitions and properties from algebraic number theory, indicating that their arguments depend on these definitions. There are also unresolved questions regarding the nature of multiplication in infinite rings and the implications for the existence of primes.

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I am reading "Introductory Algebraic Number Theory"by Saban Alaca and Kenneth S. Williams ... and am currently focused on Chapter 1: Integral Domains ...

I need some help with understanding Example 1.4.1 ...

Example 1.4.1 reads as follows:
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In the above text by Alaca and Williams we read the following:

"... ... From the first of these, as ##2## is irreducible in ##\mathbb{Z} + \mathbb{Z} \sqrt{ -5 }##, it must be the case that ##\alpha \sim 1## or ##\alpha \sim 2##. ... ...
My question is as follows ... how does ##2## being irreducible imply that ##\alpha \sim 1## or ##\alpha \sim 2##. ... ...?
Hope someone can help ...

Peter================================================================================NOTEThe notation ##\alpha \sim 1## is Alaca and Williams notation for ##\alpha## and ##1## being associates ...

Alaca's and Williams' definition of and properties of associates in an integral domain are as follows:
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Math Amateur said:
My question is as follows ... how does ##2## being irreducible imply that##\alpha \sim 1## or ##\alpha \sim 2##. ... ...?
##\alpha \mid 2## means ## \alpha \cdot q=2## for some ##q##. Now irreducibility of ##2## implies either ##\alpha ## or ##q## is a unit. If ##\alpha ## is a unit, then ##\langle 2, 1+\sqrt{-5} \rangle = \langle \alpha \rangle = \mathbb{Z}+ \mathbb{Z}\sqrt{-5}## which is wrong since it doesn't contain, e.g. ##3##. Now if ##q## is a unit, then ##\alpha = 2 \cdot q^{-1} \mid 1+\sqrt{-5}## which means ##2 \mid 1+\sqrt{-5}## which is also wrong.

It is simply the definitions that are used. You should try to find those things by yourself. It's always a matter of practice. If you will have done it several times, you will start to "see" things more quickly. As a general advice: always try to use what's given, here that ##\alpha \mid 2## and ##2## cannot properly be written as ##2=a\cdot b##. Part of the fun reading those books is to read them as a book of riddles where you're supposed to solve them. A bit like solving crosswords if you like.
 
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Does every infinite ring (meaning infinite as a set) have infinitely-many primes?
 
WWGD said:
Does every infinite ring (meaning infinite as a set) have infinitely-many primes?
I guess you're not satisfied by ##R := (\mathbb{Z}; x\cdot y = 0 \;\forall \; x,y \in \mathbb{Z})## or ##R := \mathbb{R}##.
 
fresh_42 said:
I guess you're not satisfied by ##R := (\mathbb{Z}; x\cdot y = 0 \;\forall \; x,y \in \mathbb{Z})## or ##R := \mathbb{R}##.
Yes, I would prefer a non-trivial multiplication. Ah, I see, good point with the Reals, I guess we need to EDIT exclude certain types of multiplication actions ( non-transitive?).EDIT 2: Maybe it is more meaningful to work with Euclidean rings here?
 
WWGD said:
Yes, I would prefer a non-trivial multiplication. Ah, I see, good point with the Reals, I guess we need to EDIT exclude certain types of multiplication actions ( non-transitive?).EDIT 2: Maybe it is more meaningful to work with Euclidean rings here?
I think fields are already an example. Also matrix rings might do.

But let's see how Euclidean rings work. Since Euclidean rings are principal ideal domains, which are unique factorization domains, and we are only allowed a finite number of primes, all elements have to look like ##\varepsilon \cdot p^{m_1}_1 \ldots p^{m_n}_n## with a unit ##\varepsilon## and ##(m_1 ,\ldots , m_n) \in \mathbb{N}_0^n##. I guess ##n=1## is a reasonable assumption here to start a search for an example. So all elements are of the form ##\varepsilon \cdot p^m## which I think is impossible in an integral domain with unit. (Just scratched a few lines with ##1+1=p^k\, , \,1+1+1=p^l## etc.). Maybe there's an induction argument to rule out the cases ##n>1##, too. And this without using the full advantages of a Euclidean ring. So my guess is, it's impossible, but I don't have a slim argument at hand.
 
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How about the usual proof that there are inifnitely many primes: Multiply all (if finite), add ##1## and all primes are units. This leaves us with rings without any primes, e.g. fields.
 

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