Is A dense set in the reals and f(x)=0 for all x in A, does f(x)=0 for all x?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a function being continuous and having a value of zero on a dense subset of the real numbers. Participants explore whether this leads to the conclusion that the function must be zero for all real numbers.

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  • One participant presents a proof idea that if a function f is continuous and equals zero on a dense set A in the reals, then f should equal zero for all x in the reals.
  • Another participant confirms the reasoning, stating that since any neighborhood around a point contains points from A, the continuity of f implies that f(a) must be zero.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about whether the choice of epsilon and corresponding delta could affect the conclusion, indicating a need for clarification on this point.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the definition of a dense set, emphasizing that any neighborhood around a point in the space will contain points from A.

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There is partial agreement on the reasoning presented, particularly regarding the continuity of the function and the properties of dense sets. However, some uncertainty remains about the implications of choosing different epsilon values and their effect on the proof.

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Participants discuss the definitions and properties of dense sets and continuity, but there are unresolved questions about the implications of varying epsilon and delta in the proof process.

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This is probably very simple but I'm not sure if the last step is right.
Let A be a dense set in the reals and f(x)=0 for all x in A. If f is continuous, prove that f(x)=0 for all x.
Let a be in real number. By definition, for all [tex]\epsilon > 0[/tex] there exists [tex]\delta > 0[/tex] such that [tex]|x-a|< \delta \Rightarrow |f(x)-f(a)|< \epsilon[/tex].
But in any open interval there lies element of A, so in particular: for all x in A such that
[tex]|x-a|< \delta[/tex] we have [tex]|f(a)|< \epsilon[/tex].
Here's where I deduce f(a)=0 and this is the step I'm not sure about. Does this make sense?
 
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Yes, this is correct. You are first using continuity of f, and then the fact that x can always be chosen to be in A, for any delta>0. Since epsilon>0 was arbitrary, you have shown that |f(a)| is smaller than any positive number. The only non-negative number smaller than any positive real number is 0 :-)

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x can always be chosen to be in A, for any delta>0
Ah ok, this is what was making me unsure. I didn't know whether choosing some other epsilon and therefore having a different delta would change things. Thank you! :)
 
Yeah, I was using the following:
Wikipedia said:
Formally, a subset A of a topological space X is dense in X if for any point x in X, any neighborhood of x contains at least one point from A.

It can be used since your open subset around x (a such that |x-a|<delta) is always a neighbourhood of x, for any delta>0.

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