Is a Self-adjoint Operator Always Real?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of self-adjoint operators in the context of linear algebra and quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of self-adjointness on the nature of scalar products, particularly when considering complex conjugation in the scalar product definition.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving a linear operator L and its adjoint L^a, questioning the truth of the equation <f,Lh> = <Lf,h> under the assumption of a non-symmetric scalar product.
  • The same participant derives two equations from their assumptions, leading to a conflict regarding the reality of <f,Lf>.
  • Another participant asserts that <f,Lf> is real, suggesting that it equals its complex conjugate.
  • A later reply reinforces this claim by stating that since <f,Lf> equals its complex conjugate, it must be real, referencing standard results in quantum mechanics regarding self-adjoint operators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is a disagreement regarding the initial assumptions about the scalar product and its implications. While one participant questions the validity of the results, others assert that <f,Lf> is indeed real based on standard results.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the definitions of the scalar product and the conditions under which self-adjoint operators are considered. There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of different scalar product definitions on the nature of self-adjoint operators.

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Hello.

I have a linear operator, [tex]L[/tex], and its adjoint [tex]L^a[/tex]. [tex]L[/tex] is self-adjoint, so [tex]L=L^a[/tex]. I'm being told that the following is true:

[tex]\langle f,Lh\rangle=\langle Lf,h\rangle[/tex].

But what if the scalar product is not the symmetric product? What if

[tex]\langle f,h\rangle=\langle h,f\rangle^*[/tex]

where [tex]^*[/tex] is complex conjugation ? Then my first equation tells me that

[tex]\langle f,Lf\rangle=\langle Lf,f\rangle[/tex].

and the second one says that

[tex]\langle f,Lf\rangle=\langle Lf,f\rangle^*[/tex].

But which is true?
 
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daudaudaudau said:
But which is true?

Both, <f,Lf> is real.
 
But how do you know?
 
daudaudaudau said:
But how do you know?

You just showed that it equals its complex conjugate, <f,Lf> = <Lf,f>* = <f,Lf>*. So it is real.
Quite a standard result (eg, self adjoint operators represent real valued observables in quantum mechanics).
 

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