Is a Space Drive Without Explosions Possible?

[plum]

Could you be more specific and straightforward skeptic? I'm never good when it comes to understanding sarcasm. Are you saying that physicists working in the private sector are making significant contributions in this field?

 

[JO 753]

Thanks for the description, maverick. This idea is too simple for that tho. Anybody hearing the basic concepts will be able to put 2 and 2 together.

I could easily fall into that category, Skeptic. That kinda cheers me up, since I've noticed that the majority of giant company head honchos are complete idiots, so maybe I'm qualified ! Maybe I could even be a godam phone company CEO! ( Probably have to get a labotomy first )

On the other hand, the history of technology is chock full of experts saying this or that is impossible, complete with irrefutable proof, only to have it become commonplace within a few decades.

People have a tendency to think more of why something will fail rather than how it can work when its not their idea.

 

[maverickmathematics]

With a Zero Knowledge Proof you do tell one person about your idea and they check it and then just tell people effectivly that you are right. They do not tell people what you are right about precisely, for example you show the leading engineer in America your owk under a Zero Knowledge Proof, he verifies it and then you to can go to a company and you can say 'i've invented a space drive' and he can say you are correct and your proof is accurate, without talking at all about the actual invention.

Regards,

M

 

[skeptic]

"Could you be more specific and straightforward skeptic? I'm never good when it comes to understanding sarcasm. Are you saying that physicists working in the private sector are making significant contributions in this field?"
I fail to see any sarcasm, and I do not see how I could have been more direct. The plain truth is that certain high-tech companies, such as BAE Systems, are giving (according to the review) serious consideration to certain space-drive ideas which, if shown to a high-school physics student, would make him lol. An example: one of the devices is the patented (sic) 'Cuthbert Drive'. This is simply a couple of oscillating arms which flail to-and-fro (there are dozens of similar patents in the literature) and are supposed to propel themselves in outer space. It appears that it is being taken seriously because it works on an air-table. The next step (I have been told) is to put it on a 'vomit-comet' for free-fall testing. Hands-up those who think that it will work? So, I am saying that 'high-tech' engineers (but, I hope, not physicsts) are wasting time and money on crackpot activities. It could be that they are being forced to do so by bean-counters who are following the Pascal's wager strategy: 'there is near-zero chance of its working, but the profits would be almost infinite, so the expected profit is finite'. (That is my version of the PW, so don't get sidetracked by attacking it on the basis that it is not pure Pascal.) There could be a more worldly reason: I have heard that some companies back projects which are sure to fail so that they can offset the costs for tax-avoidance purposes.

 

[extreme_machinations]

I Suppose This Is Why Einstien Worked In A Patent Office Before Becoming A Scientist ,he Had Everything Planned ,see?

 

[extreme_machinations]

3 Pages Of Reading About Patents Culminates Into Notin About The Mock Drive Technology .

 

[BushWacker]

Secret Science eh?

I have a feeling that your idea has been thought of by other's as well, and if not you must be much brighter than 99.999999999999% of the rest of us humble folks on this planet. I have also thought of many of these types of things myself. Another man is making the information available to all for free. You see the patent process is not what it used to be, and large corporations these days have more than sufficient funding to finance a small change in just about any patent discription, not to mention producing a refined technology much more advanced once the idea is out there. This comes from 35+ years of hands on experience in these matters and I had to learn the hard way many times over before recognizing these facts. Look up the "ISBP OS Project" and check out the links. I would think that most physicists worth their salt would be very excited about that particular technology being that the possible applications are so vast. However most of the so-called professional scientist's are more concerned about their peer's and what they will have to say than they are about learning anything from someone without any celebrity standing. Such is life!

Good Luck,

Bush Wacker

 

[JO 753]

The Ion Source Beam looks fascinating, but its nothing like my idea.

I figured my idea was so basic that it woud be on the web already, but I haven't seen it anywhere yet. This means its either totally stupid to anybody who has enuff physics knowledge or that just by chance nobody haz put these different elements together before.

I woud think that with millions of brite & enthusiastic physics students graduating every year that, usless or not, this woud have been thought of already, but look at the compound bow. Pulleys & bows have been in use for thousands of years, but when was the compound bow invented? Some time in the 1980'z ?

The patent process has always been a sham. Wilbur Wright spent 40 years in court trying to get paid for the airplane invention. Finally got a million$, but what good is a patent if you're an old man when it pays off? Spend a few years developing an idea and then your career consists of listening to idiot lawyers babbling nonsense. No thanks.

 

[skeptic]

The 'ISBP OS Project' looks like pure nonsense to me. Lockheed have patented a similar, but simpler, device which is supposed to project a 'magnetic beam'. I built one, and tested it with iron filings. There was just the short-range pattern which one would expect. The beam was just some sort of delusion.

 

[BushWacker]

ISBP Pure Nonsense?

I have assembled the Lockheed Martin patented device also and you are correct, it is a complete joke. However, I have also assembled the ISBP device posted by James D. Fauble and it worked extremely well. The project is ongoing and they are currently in the process of placing a large order for these hard to find magnets which Mr. Fauble has spent a great deal of money out of his own pocket to have manufactured. The federal govt., had taken them off the market and this raises suspicions to me that Mr. Fauble is right about the various reasons for trying to hide this technology. It is always good to reserve doubt before seeing the evidence first hand, as that is the practice of scientific reasoning, however once you have seen it in your own hands, you tend to change your opinion. We shall see, we shall see!

Kindest Regards,

Bush-Wacker

 

[JO 753]

If anybody is interested and qualified in this, send an email. I'm deleting this forum from my favorites list due to a lack of results.

 

[Arctic Fox]

[...]there seems to be more ideas among those who are less educated and brilliant than those who are, suggesting that we're farther away from this sort of technology than we might think. I'd strongly suggest doing extensive research into what's already been thought of, using actual scientific journals (not the internet).

I thought `Imagination is more important than knowledge.´


JO 753: Have you seen the list of theories I've collected?: http://arctic.ithium.net/

 

[dtang0]

If anybody is interested and qualified in this, send an email. I'm deleting this forum from my favorites list due to a lack of results.

hmm... and we didn't even get to see what it was...

 

[plum]

I guess there's no place for his calibre of genius amongst us low-life rascals.

 

[dtang0]

I am not concerned about the idea being stolen. I don't think it has much chance of being a profitable product for my little company. The problem is that it has weapons potential.

My guess is it was a doomsday machine with nozzles.

 

[FredGarvin]

If anybody is interested and qualified in this, send an email. I'm deleting this forum from my favorites list due to a lack of results.

I find it insane, to say the least, that someone would expect more help from a forum when he won't even tell us what the thing is. Techno-trolls are a strange bunch indeed.

 

[brewnog]

Yeah, I'd have expected him to have at least asked us a question before getting all mardy on us!

Ah well, there's just no helping some people.