Is a Ton of Styrofoam the Same Weight as a Ton of Steel?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether a ton of Styrofoam balls weighs the same as a ton of steel balls, exploring the implications of weight and the effects of dropping these materials from a height. The conversation includes considerations of physical properties, potential harm from falling objects, and comparisons to other weight-related questions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a ton of Styrofoam balls and a ton of steel balls weigh the same, framing it as a straightforward question of weight.
  • One participant questions the relevance of the context of falling objects to the original weight question, asking for clarification on how weight might change when an object falls.
  • Another participant introduces a different weight-related question involving silver and lead, suggesting that different measurement systems (Troy vs. avoirdupois) can affect perceptions of weight.
  • Concerns are raised about the characterization of the Styrofoam and steel question as "age old," with one participant noting that Styrofoam is a relatively modern material.
  • There is a discussion about the potential harm caused by falling steel balls compared to Styrofoam balls, with some arguing that the impact dynamics differ due to air resistance affecting the Styrofoam.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a ton of Styrofoam and a ton of steel weigh the same, but there is disagreement regarding the relevance of the falling context to the weight question and the characterization of the question's historical significance.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of falling objects on the concept of weight and the potential for harm, indicating that the discussion involves assumptions about physical behavior and measurement systems.

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Its the age old question which weighs more, a ton Styrofoam Balls a 1/4" in diameter or a ton of Steel Balls a 1/4" in diameter?

Of course the answer is that both weigh the same.

Now seeing as both weigh the same which would cause more harm to you if you stood underneath of them and let them drop on you from a height of 20 feet in the air?

The steel balls would of course because the Styrofoam Balls falling from 20 feet would be influenced by the air thus causing some of the Styrofoam Balls to not land on you. So is the age old answer to the question of, is a ton of Styrofoam Balls the same weight as a ton of Steel Balls being yes still a valid answer?
 
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Dryson1 said:
So is the age old answer to the question of, is a ton of Styrofoam Balls the same weight as a ton of Steel Balls being yes still a valid answer?
Hi Dryson:

I don't get why you think the added context off falling would possibly affect the answer to the question. Can you elaborate on that?

Do you have in mind that the concept of "weight" changes when an object falls?

BTW, even if you were on the moon (in a space suit), the Styrofoam would do less damage even though the momentum when the each of balls hits your head would be the same.

Regards,
Buzz
 
Dryson1 said:
Its the age old question which weighs more, a ton Styrofoam Balls a 1/4" in diameter or a ton of Steel Balls a 1/4" in diameter?

Of course the answer is that both weigh the same.
The age-old question as I heard it, was "Which is heaver, a pound of silver or a pound of lead?"
The answer to this question is "a pound of lead."

The reason is that silver, gold, and precious stones are measured in Troy units (troy lb and troy oz), while other materials are measured in avoirdupois units. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_weight
1 troy pound ##\approx## 373.24 g.
1 avoirdupois pound ##\approx## 454 g.
Dryson1 said:
Now seeing as both weigh the same which would cause more harm to you if you stood underneath of them and let them drop on you from a height of 20 feet in the air?

The steel balls would of course because the Styrofoam Balls falling from 20 feet would be influenced by the air thus causing some of the Styrofoam Balls to not land on you. So is the age old answer to the question of, is a ton of Styrofoam Balls the same weight as a ton of Steel Balls being yes still a valid answer?
 
I doubt that "which weighs more, a ton Styrofoam Balls a 1/4" in diameter or a ton of Steel Balls a 1/4" in diameter?" really is an "age old" question since Styrofoam is not itself "age old"!

I don't see what the fact that the steel balls hurting more than the Styrofoam balls has to do with the question of its weight so I don't understand your question.
 

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