Is a Tube Around a Manifold Always Orientable?

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The discussion revolves around the orientability of a tube around a manifold embedded in Euclidean space, specifically examining whether the topology of the boundary influences the orientability of the tube. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and definitions related to manifolds, tubular neighborhoods, and orientability.

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  • Some participants define a tube as a tubular neighborhood of a manifold, suggesting it is a closed neighborhood of the zero section of the normal bundle.
  • One participant proposes that an orientation of the tube would induce an orientation of the normal bundle, but notes that the normal bundle is not always orientable, implying the tube cannot always be orientable.
  • Another participant references the Tubular Neighborhood Theorem, stating that around any compact manifold without boundary, there exists an open neighborhood diffeomorphic to the total space of the normal bundle, raising questions about the orientability of such tubes.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the conditions under which a tube might not be orientable, questioning the relationship between the boundary's orientability and the tube's overall orientability.
  • There is a discussion about the Whitney sum of non-orientable bundles and whether they can result in an orientable structure, with references to the properties of bundles in Euclidean space.
  • One participant suggests that the tubular neighborhood could inherit the orientation from the ambient Euclidean space, questioning if this orientation must have specific properties near the boundary.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definition of orientability for manifolds with boundaries, indicating that this may not have been initially understood by all participants.

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Participants express differing views on the orientability of tubes around manifolds, with no consensus reached. Some argue that the boundary's properties influence the tube's orientability, while others question this assumption and explore the implications of orientability in relation to the ambient space.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for precision in definitions, particularly regarding what constitutes a "tube" and the implications of orientability in the context of manifolds with boundaries. There are unresolved questions about the relationship between the properties of the boundary and the overall structure of the tube.

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- A tube around a manifold embedded in Euclidean space is a manifold with boundary. Is the tube always orientable?

- Does the topology of the boundary determine the topology of the tube?
 
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What do you mean by tube? Boundary of what? For this type of question, I think we need more precision.
 
homeo: a tube T is a tubular nbhd of the manifold M, so you can think of it as a (closed) nbhd of the zero sectioin of the normal bundle N that intersects each fiber in a closed disk.

lavinia, how about this: Pick a fiber metric on TN. Use this to define a splitting of TN into a vertical bundle V (isomorphic to N) and a horizontal bundle H (isomorphic to TM). This induces a similar splitting of T(T). Now, an orientation of T as a manifold would induce an orientation of N (as a vector bundle), but we know that the normal bundle is not always orientable, so the tube cannot always be orientable. In fact, it is so iff M and its normal bundle are thus.
 
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homeomorphic said:
What do you mean by tube? Boundary of what? For this type of question, I think we need more precision.

ok.

The Tubular Neighborhood Theorem shows that around any compact manifold without boundary embedded in another smooth manifold, there is an open neighborhood of it that is diffeomorphic to the total space of the normal bundle to the embedding. The tube is obtained first locally from the exponential mapping in the normal direction to the embedded manifold and then pieced together as the union of these local tubes. Since the embedded manifold is compact the union of finite many of these neighborhoods gives is the tube. The boundary of this tube is diffeomorphic to the unit sphere bundle in the normal bundle.

My question is whether a tube in Euclidean space is always orientable. I would think so since the boundary is a hypersurface. For example a tube around the Klein bottle in R^4 is orientable and its boundary is the the total space of a circle bundle over the Klein bottle.

The geometry of tubes was studies by Weyl and there is a cool book that derives characteristic classes from tube geometry rather than intrinsic geometry.
 
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Maybe I'm a bit confused by the question. How could it not be orientable? Take your definition of orientability to be the existence of a top-dimensional form which doesn't vanish.
 
zhentil said:
Maybe I'm a bit confused by the question. How could it not be orientable? Take your definition of orientability to be the existence of a top-dimensional form which doesn't vanish.

I am confused.

You mean just the restriction of the Euclidean volume form to the tube?

My thought was that the boundary as a hypersurface must be orientable but how do I extend this to an orientation of the whole tube? But what you are saying is the the volume form on Euclidean space just does this. OK.
 
Can anyone tell me what is wrong with my argument then? Thx.
 
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Can anyone tell me what is wrong with my argument then? Thx.

I think that the Whitney sum of two non-orientable bundles can be orientable. They just need to be non-orientable for the same reason - their first Stiefel-Whitney classes must be equal.

In Eudlidean space the normal and tangent bundles sum to the trivial bundle which is orientable.
 
I don't understand- surely this tubular neighbourhood can just be given the orientation induced by the ambient Euclidean space. Or does this orientation have to have some well-behaved property near the boundary?
 
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Oh- are you talking about the boundary of the tubular neighbourhood being orientable? (actually, just looked up orientation for a manifold with boundary, we say a manifold with boundary is orientable if the manifold obtained by glueing together two lots of the manifold with boundary across their boundaries is orientable, wasn't aware of this definition).
 
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