Is A_n Countable for Each Fixed n in Algebraic Number Theory?

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The discussion revolves around the countability of the set A_n, which consists of algebraic numbers that are roots of polynomials with integer coefficients of fixed degree n. The original poster seeks to demonstrate that A_n is countable by considering the properties of polynomials and their roots.

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  • The original poster attempts to connect the finite number of roots of polynomials to the countability of A_n, expressing difficulty in generalizing their reasoning for all n. Some participants question the clarity of the problem statement, while others suggest considering the roots of all nth degree polynomials as a countable set.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations and approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the countability of roots from polynomials of fixed degree, but no consensus has been reached on a complete solution.

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The original poster notes that the problem only concerns real roots, dismissing complex roots as negligible. There is also a reference to constraints on the coefficients of the polynomials based on their absolute values.

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Fix n \in N, and let A_n be the algebraic numbers obtained as roots of polynomials with integer coefficients that have degree n. Using the fact that every polynomial has a finite number of roots, show that A_n is countable. (For each m \in N, consider the polynomials a_nx^n + a_n_-_1x^n^-^1 + ... + a_1x + a_0 that satisfy \left|a_n\right| + \left|a_n_-_1\right| + ... + \left|a_1\right| + \left|a_0\right| \leq m.)

By the way, this only deals with real roots. Complex roots are simply negligible.

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So, I know a few things, but bringing the big picture together is really messing me up here. For example, I know that the sum of the absolute value of the coefficients for quadratic equations only has a certain number of solutions. So, whatever I elect m to be, there will always be a finite number of solutions. Also, the number of quadratics with coefficients is less than or equal to m: this is also finite. When we multiply this fact times the number of roots, we have the number of roots of a quadratic whose absolute value sums to some value less than or equal to m.

The big problem I have is trying to generalize this statement for all A_n. If anyone has any suggestions, this would be most helpful!
 
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Show...? You forgot to put in the statement.
 
Mathdope said:
Show...? You forgot to put in the statement.

My bad, I just fixed it. I want to show it's countable!
 
This is from Rudin, right? I personally found the hint rather unhelpful.

I remember that the way I did this was to fix n and show that the roots of all nth degree polynomials with integer coefficients forms a countable set. Then to get the roots of all polynomials of finite degree with integer coefficients, you just take a countable union of those sets.
 

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