Proving that the algebraic numbers are denumerable

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The discussion revolves around proving that algebraic numbers are denumerable, focusing on the properties of polynomials and their roots. The subject area includes concepts from algebra and set theory.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the denumerability of sets of roots derived from polynomials of various degrees, considering both natural and integer coefficients. There is an exploration of the implications of finite unions of denumerable sets and the extension to infinite unions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants examining the transition from finite to infinite unions of denumerable sets. Some express confidence in the denumerability of the resulting set, while others seek clarification on the implications of this union.

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Participants note that there is no limit on the degree of polynomials defining algebraic numbers, which raises questions about the overall denumerability of the set of algebraic numbers.

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Homework Statement


Prove that algebraic numbers are denumerable

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The Attempt at a Solution


This is a very standard exercise, but I haven't looked at its proof and want to see if I can prove it myself.

With each element ##(a_n, a_{n-1},...,a_1,a_0 ) \in \mathbb{N}^n## we can obtain at most ##n## roots of the polynomial ##a_nx^n + a_{n-1}x^{n-1} + \cdots + a_1x + a_0##. We know that ##\mathbb{N}^n## is denumerable (since it is a countable product of denumerable sets). Let ##R_n = \text{the set of all roots of polynomials of degree n}##. We can think of ##R_n## as being based on ##\mathbb{N}^n##, where each n-tuple is "replaced" by a finite collection of at most ##n## roots. Since in each case we are replacing a single element by a finite number of other elements (roots), the set remains denumerable. So ##R_n## is denumerable. Let ##R = R_1 \cup \cdots \cup R_n##. ##R## is denumerable because it is a finite union of denumerable sets.
 
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Homework Statement


Prove that algebraic numbers are denumerable

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


This is a very standard exercise, but I haven't looked at its proof and want to see if I can prove it myself.

With each element ##(a_n, a_{n-1},...,a_1,a_0 ) \in \mathbb{Z}^n## we can obtain at most ##n## roots of the polynomial ##a_nx^n + a_{n-1}x^{n-1} + \cdots + a_1x + a_0##. We know that ##\mathbb{Z}^n## is denumerable (since it is a countable product of denumerable sets). Let ##R_n = \text{the set of all roots of polynomials of degree n}##. We can think of ##R_n## as being based on ##\mathbb{Z}^n##, where each n-tuple is "replaced" by a finite collection of at most ##n## roots. Since in each case we are replacing a single element by a finite number of other elements (roots), the set remains denumerable. So ##R_n## is denumerable. Let ##R = R_1 \cup \cdots \cup R_n##. ##R## is denumerable because it is a finite union of denumerable sets.

Edited with corrections
 
Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


Prove that algebraic numbers are denumerable

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


This is a very standard exercise, but I haven't looked at its proof and want to see if I can prove it myself.

With each element ##(a_n, a_{n-1},...,a_1,a_0 ) \in \mathbb{Z}^n## we can obtain at most ##n## roots of the polynomial ##a_nx^n + a_{n-1}x^{n-1} + \cdots + a_1x + a_0##. We know that ##\mathbb{Z}^n## is denumerable (since it is a countable product of denumerable sets). Let ##R_n = \text{the set of all roots of polynomials of degree n}##. We can think of ##R_n## as being based on ##\mathbb{Z}^n##, where each n-tuple is "replaced" by a finite collection of at most ##n## roots. Since in each case we are replacing a single element by a finite number of other elements (roots), the set remains denumerable. So ##R_n## is denumerable. Let ##R = R_1 \cup \cdots \cup R_n##. ##R## is denumerable because it is a finite union of denumerable sets.

Edited with corrections

There is no limit on the degree of a polynomial that defines an algebraic number, so the actual set of algbraic number is
$$ R = \bigcup_{n=1}^{\infty} R_n.$$
Is that set still denumerable?
 
Ray Vickson said:
There is no limit on the degree of a polynomial that defines an algebraic number, so the actual set of algbraic number is
$$ R = \bigcup_{n=1}^{\infty} R_n.$$
Is that set still denumerable?
You're right. But a denumerable union of denumerable sets is still a denumerable set, right?
 

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