Is Acceleration/Decceleration smooth?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of acceleration and deceleration, specifically whether these changes in speed can occur instantaneously or must be smooth and continuous. Participants explore the implications of smoothness in terms of physical laws and mathematical definitions, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while acceleration can theoretically be instantaneous, practical considerations always result in a continuous change over time.
  • One participant argues that an instantaneous speed change from 2 mph to 4 mph would necessitate infinite acceleration, which is not achievable in reality.
  • Another participant defines smoothness in terms of differentiability, noting that while there may be no gaps in the position-time diagram, vertices can still exist at points of acceleration change.
  • It is proposed that even if a force could change instantaneously, the resulting velocity and position changes would still be smooth transitions rather than abrupt jumps.
  • A participant mentions that an instantaneous change in acceleration implies a discontinuous force law, which is often only an approximation in physical scenarios.
  • Discussion includes the concept of impulse in collisions, where the finite time of impact is often ignored for simplicity in calculations, leading to potential discontinuities in the mathematical treatment of motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of acceleration and its smoothness, with no consensus reached on whether instantaneous changes are possible or how to reconcile theoretical models with practical observations.

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Limitations include assumptions about the continuity of forces and the mathematical treatment of motion, as well as the dependence on idealized models that may not hold in all physical situations.

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Firstly I must say if this is in a wrong sub-forum I apologise. This is my first post and I'm new to the website so please bare with me. Also I was unsure of the Prefix so I again apologise if that to, was incorrect.

But my Question is that is the acceleration (or deceleration) of an object smooth?
By this I mean can the speed of an object increase instantaneously (for example) from 2Mph to 4Mph?
Or must it be smooth in it's acceleration by passing all speeds in-between 2Mph and 4Mph to get to the end 4Mph?

By passing all speeds in-between i mean such as it goes (in terms of speed) through every number in-between the 2 and 4Mph.

Sorry if this is not worded well as I am unsure of how to, but I hope you understand and reply.
 
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In principle, acceleration can be instantaneous - hit it with a hammer. In practice, it always happens over some time - e.g. the steel hammerhead deforms ever so slightly so the acceleration is continuous over a very small time scale.
 
To have speed jump instantaneously from 2 mph to 4 mph would require infinite acceleration. We never get infinite acceleration, so the answer is no, speed can not jump instantaneously.
 
Stephen T said:
Sorry if this is not worded well as I am unsure of how to, but I hope you understand and reply.
Smoothness means infinitely often differentiable, i.e. there are no vertices in the (position,time)-diagram and all of it differentials.
You're description by the use of instantaneous describes the continuity of this diagram, i.e. no gaps.
Although there might be no gaps, which would mean a division by zero, there still can be vertices, e.g. at the start when moving from zero to a constant acceleration.
 
There are two aspects of 'smoothness' assuming that you could apply an instant change in the force on an object, the velocity would not change instantly; the transition would be smooth. Also, an instantaneous change of velocity would not result in an instantaneous change in position - that would also involve a smooth change of distance.
It's worth while talking in terms of Calculus. An abrupt (discontinuous) change in a variable can result in an abrupt change in the rate of change in the (continuous) value another variable. Integrating a step change will produce a change in slope of the integral.
 
An instantaneous change in acceleration requires a force law with a discontinuity. In most cases, such force laws are only approximations. If you look closely enough you'll eventually hit the quantum world and discover that position is not only not always twice continuously differentiable. It is not even a well defined function of time.
 
In the kinematics of collisions, it is a good ruse to talk in terms of an Impulse. You ignore the fact that the collision has to have taken a finite time and you define Impulse as Force times time it's applied for. Given a 'before' situation, you can apply a given Impulse (any combination of forces times time) and produce the same result. If it's a truly elastic collision the same thing will happen to a steel ball bearing or a plastic 'superball' or even a very soft sponge (remembering that only an ideal sponge can be perfectly elastic)
It is very common to sidestep the problem of discontinuities in the Maths of Science.
 
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