Undergrad Is Braket Notation Causing Confusion in Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion centers on the confusion surrounding the expression |x+y> = |x> + |y> in quantum mechanics. It clarifies that the left side vanishes if y is nonzero, while the right side diverges, indicating they are not equivalent. The properties of labels within kets depend on the specific quantum system and the Hilbert space in question. Defining |x+y> as |x> + |y> can lead to misunderstandings, as it conflates mathematical objects with their labels. Ultimately, the expression lacks a valid algebraic structure in the context of Dirac notation, similar to a flawed analogy in classical mechanics.
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Is |x+y> = |x> + |y> ?

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No. Take the inner product with ##<x|## to see that if ##y## is nonzero, the left size vanishes but the right side diverges.
 
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DuckAmuck said:
Is |x+y> = |x> + |y> ?.

The stuff inside a ket is some type of a label, and properties of a label depend the particular system, and on the type of label used.

For example, consider standard notation for the energy eigenstates of a harmonic oscillator. Then,

$$\left| 5 \right> \neq \left| 2 \right> + \left| 3 \right>.$$
 
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<x + y|x + y> = ∫ (x+y)^2 dV = ∫ (x^2 + y^2 + x*y + y*x) dV

(<x| + <y|)(|x> + |y>) = <x|x> + <y|y> + <x|y> + <y|x> = ∫ (x^2 + y^2 + x*y + y*x) dV

What am i missing?
 
George Jones said:
The stuff inside a ket is some type of a label, and properties of a label depend the particular system, and on the type of label used.

For example, consider standard notation for the energy eigenstates of a harmonic oscillator. Then,

$$\left| 5 \right> \neq \left| 2 \right> + \left| 3 \right>.$$
I see, so I can define |x+y> = |x> + |y>, but it's not implied automatically.
 
DuckAmuck said:
What am i missing?

The definition of what the x and y labels mean, i.e., what Hilbert space you are talking about and how the labels x and y index vectors in that Hilbert space. Without that you have no way of writing down integrals for the inner products at all, let alone knowing that they take the exact form you gave in post #4.
 
DuckAmuck said:
I see, so I can define |x+y> = |x> + |y>, but it's not implied automatically.
No, if you define it that way you will only cause confusion for others.
 
DuckAmuck said:
Is |x+y> = |x> + |y> ?
The problem with your expression has nothing to do with Quantum Mechanics specifically, but rather results from a confusion between mathematical objects, on the one hand, and labels for mathematical objects, on the other. Your expression is analogous to the following classical expression relating the velocities of two people: $$\vec {V}_{Jack} + \vec {V}_{Jill} = \vec {V}_{Jack + Jill}$$ There are situations where a family of labels can indeed have a useful algebraic structure (e.g. time ##t##), but the labels used in Dirac kets in this way are not among them.
 
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