Is Braket Notation Causing Confusion in Quantum Mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation and implications of braket notation in quantum mechanics, specifically whether the expression |x+y> can be equated to |x> + |y>. Participants explore the mathematical and conceptual foundations of these expressions, examining their validity within the context of quantum mechanics and Hilbert spaces.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if |x+y> equals |x> + |y>, suggesting that the labels inside kets depend on the specific system and type of label used.
  • Another participant argues against the equivalence, indicating that taking the inner product with
  • A participant provides an example using energy eigenstates of a harmonic oscillator to illustrate that |5> does not equal |2> + |3>, reinforcing the idea that labels have specific meanings.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the integral representation of the inner product and seeks clarification on what they might be missing.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of defining the Hilbert space and the meaning of the labels x and y, suggesting that without this definition, one cannot accurately write down integrals for inner products.
  • There is a reiteration that defining |x+y> as |x> + |y> could lead to confusion for others, indicating a need for caution in such definitions.
  • A participant draws an analogy to classical mechanics, stating that the confusion arises from mixing mathematical objects with their labels, suggesting that while some labels can have algebraic structures, those used in Dirac kets do not.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the expression |x+y> = |x> + |y>. While some acknowledge that definitions can vary based on context, there is no consensus on whether the expression can be equated in general terms.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of context in quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the definitions of labels and their implications in mathematical expressions. There are unresolved questions about the specific Hilbert spaces and the nature of the labels involved.

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Is |x+y> = |x> + |y> ?

Thank you.
 
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No. Take the inner product with ##<x|## to see that if ##y## is nonzero, the left size vanishes but the right side diverges.
 
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DuckAmuck said:
Is |x+y> = |x> + |y> ?.

The stuff inside a ket is some type of a label, and properties of a label depend the particular system, and on the type of label used.

For example, consider standard notation for the energy eigenstates of a harmonic oscillator. Then,

$$\left| 5 \right> \neq \left| 2 \right> + \left| 3 \right>.$$
 
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<x + y|x + y> = ∫ (x+y)^2 dV = ∫ (x^2 + y^2 + x*y + y*x) dV

(<x| + <y|)(|x> + |y>) = <x|x> + <y|y> + <x|y> + <y|x> = ∫ (x^2 + y^2 + x*y + y*x) dV

What am i missing?
 
George Jones said:
The stuff inside a ket is some type of a label, and properties of a label depend the particular system, and on the type of label used.

For example, consider standard notation for the energy eigenstates of a harmonic oscillator. Then,

$$\left| 5 \right> \neq \left| 2 \right> + \left| 3 \right>.$$
I see, so I can define |x+y> = |x> + |y>, but it's not implied automatically.
 
DuckAmuck said:
What am i missing?

The definition of what the x and y labels mean, i.e., what Hilbert space you are talking about and how the labels x and y index vectors in that Hilbert space. Without that you have no way of writing down integrals for the inner products at all, let alone knowing that they take the exact form you gave in post #4.
 
DuckAmuck said:
I see, so I can define |x+y> = |x> + |y>, but it's not implied automatically.
No, if you define it that way you will only cause confusion for others.
 
DuckAmuck said:
Is |x+y> = |x> + |y> ?
The problem with your expression has nothing to do with Quantum Mechanics specifically, but rather results from a confusion between mathematical objects, on the one hand, and labels for mathematical objects, on the other. Your expression is analogous to the following classical expression relating the velocities of two people: $$\vec {V}_{Jack} + \vec {V}_{Jill} = \vec {V}_{Jack + Jill}$$ There are situations where a family of labels can indeed have a useful algebraic structure (e.g. time ##t##), but the labels used in Dirac kets in this way are not among them.
 
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