Is bronze tarnish electrochemical corrosion or chemical corrosion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether bronze tarnish is classified as electrochemical corrosion or chemical corrosion. Participants explore definitions and distinctions between these types of corrosion, considering the reactions involved and the conditions under which they occur.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the definitions of chemical and electrochemical corrosion that should be applied to the discussion.
  • One participant suggests that classifying corrosion types may be futile, as reactions can involve complex interactions that do not fit neatly into categories.
  • A participant proposes that if the reaction occurs with atoms physically together, it is a chemical reaction, while separation of atoms leading to electronic reconfiguration indicates an electrochemical reaction.
  • Another participant argues that metal corrosion often involves separated redox counterparts, with charge transfer facilitated by electrolytes, suggesting that this process is inherently electrochemical.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the classification of bronze tarnish, with multiple competing views presented regarding the nature of the corrosion process.

Contextual Notes

Definitions of chemical and electrochemical corrosion are not uniformly agreed upon, and the discussion highlights the complexity of classifying corrosion processes based on physical interactions and conditions.

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Homework Statement
Is bronze tarnish electrochemical corrosion or chemical corrosion?
Bronze is outside, reacting with air.
Relevant Equations
no
I can't figure it out.
 
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What definitions of chemical and electrochemical corrosion are you expected to use?

My bet is that it is one of these cases where an attempt at classification is futile and a waste of time.
 
Yeahaight said:
Homework Statement:: Is bronze tarnish electrochemical corrosion or chemical corrosion?
Bronze is outside, reacting with air.
Relevant Equations:: no

I can't figure it out.
Since all chemical reactions are rearrangements of atoms due to electric forces, whether a reaction is considered chemical or electrochemical depends on how it occurs, not what it results in.

My understanding is that if the reaction occurs with the atoms of both elements physically together at the same location then it would be classified as a chemical reaction. If there is a distance between the atoms of both elements so that the electronic reconfiguration occurs at a physically separate distances with the bonds between the two atoms resulting from the movement of ions and electrons from physically separate locations, then it is classified as electrochemical (since movement of charges - ions and electrons - constitutes an electric current).

Since tarnish occurs because the oxygen atoms in the air come into contact with the copper atoms in the bronze surface, it would be classified as a chemical reaction.

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Trick is, metal corrosion often happens with red and ox counterparts being separated and charge being transferred between them through metal and electrolytes - that why salty water speeds up this type of corrosion (by making it easier to transfer the charge). Then, despite everything being in place, the process is definitely electrochemical. As there can be any combination of reactions, classifying arbitrarily "this is chemical" or "this is electrochemical" is in some cases either difficult, or futile.
 

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