Is Brownian Motion Linked to Molecular Kinetic Energy Changes?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between molecular kinetic energy and Brownian motion, exploring whether the kinetic energy associated with heat is distributed among molecular vibrational, rotational, and translational energies. Participants also inquire about the underlying theories of Brownian motion and its causation, as well as the nature of atomic motion and its inherent properties.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the kinetic energy from heat is equally distributed among vibrational, rotational, and translational energies.
  • There are inquiries about existing theories for the cause of Brownian motion and whether it is accepted without an underlying explanation.
  • One participant emphasizes that no theory is accepted "as is" and that experimental verification is essential.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether Brownian motion is solely due to collisions between particles or if it also includes inherent vibrational motion of particles.
  • Questions are raised regarding the nature of atomic motion, specifically whether atoms exhibit motion without external collisions and the reasons for their perpetual movement.
  • Some participants assert that Brownian motion can be described as the random drifting of particles in a fluid, influenced by collisions and thermal energy.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which particles exhibit Brownian motion, including the necessity of collisions and the impact of temperature on kinetic energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the nature and causes of Brownian motion, with no consensus reached on whether it is fully understood or if multiple theories exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the inherent properties of atomic motion and the specific contributions of different types of motion to Brownian motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of defining Brownian motion and its relationship to molecular motion, highlighting the need for clarity on terms and concepts. There are also references to the historical context of Brownian motion and its explanation by Einstein, but the discussion does not settle on a definitive understanding.

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Is the molecular kinetic energy associated with an increase of heat equally distributed to molecular vibrational, rotational, and translational energies?

What is then the exact link to Brownian motion?
 
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Origin of Brownian Motion

Are there any theories existent for the cause of Brownian Motion? Or is it just generally accepted as is?

Have any experiments been conducted to attempt to perturb the seemingly random motion of molecules (i.e., cause it to have a biased probability distribution)? Have any single-tracking-particle studies been done?
 
Noesis said:
Are there any theories existent for the cause of Brownian Motion? Or is it just generally accepted as is?

No theories are ever accepted "as is". Every theory will have quantitative predictions and results that have to be verified by experiments.

Have any experiments been conducted to attempt to perturb the seemingly random motion of molecules (i.e., cause it to have a biased probability distribution)? Have any single-tracking-particle studies been done?

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42679

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/47451

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Thank you very much for the articles.

I should have been more precise, I meant to say: is Brownian motion considered a physical fact without an (as of yet) underlying explanation, or is there a theory behind its causation.
 
Noesis said:
Thank you very much for the articles.

I should have been more precise, I meant to say: is Brownian motion considered a physical fact without an (as of yet) underlying explanation, or is there a theory behind its causation.

I thought the theory that atoms exist explained it perfectly. I believe it was one of the things discovered by Einstein.
 
I thought this was explained 100+ years ago by Einstein?

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see Drakkith's post.
 
It seems I am fundamentally confused.

I take it from what is said that Brownian motion refers to atomic motion caused by collisions from neighboring particles.

I originally thought Brownian motion also referred to the inherent vibrational motion of particles that exists even if collisions do not take place. I also thought that subatomic particles (e.g., nuclei) were perpetually vibrating. The previous two statements might be falsely referring to phenomena, which would be a source of confusion.

EDIT: From what I'm reading it seems atomic vibrations are primarily due to atomic bonds. Is this the only source of atomic vibrations?

So more specifically:

1. What exactly is Brownian motion? Is it a complete description to say the: translational, rotational, and vibrational motion acquired by particles as a result of collisions with other particles?

2. Is any motion an inherent property of an atom (no existing bonds) such that it would be in motion even if no collisions were occurring? That is, even if it were all by itself?

3. Why are they moving in the first place, and why don't they ever run out of energy?
 
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Drakkith said:
I thought the theory that atoms exist explained it perfectly. I believe it was one of the things discovered by Einstein.

Yes , you are correct.

Vorde said:
I thought this was explained 100+ years ago by Einstein?
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see Drakkith's post.

You are also correct , precisely.

Noesis said:
I should have been more precise, I meant to say: is Brownian motion considered a physical fact without an (as of yet) underlying explanation, or is there a theory behind its causation.

Huh ? Brownian motion is the random motion or drifting of particles in a particular solution or a solvent or let's call it fluid.
Wikipedia defines it as follows : Brownian motion (named after the botanist Robert Brown) or pedesis is the presumably random drifting of particles suspended in a fluid (a liquid or a gas) or the mathematical model used to describe such random movements, which is often called a particle theory.

It is more frequent in http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/suspensions_colloids.htm" .
There can be many causes of brownian motion. Some solutions like colloidal solutions and suspensions give cause to brownian motion without any cause because they have particles drifting and colliding. Though the basic cause is collision.

There can be many and many and many theories behind the causation of Brownian motion.
It can be heat , percussion etc.

Noesis said:
It seems I am fundamentally confused.

I take it from what is said that Brownian motion refers to atomic motion caused by collisions from neighboring particles.

I originally thought Brownian motion also referred to the inherent vibrational motion of particles that exists even if collisions do not take place. I also thought that subatomic particles (e.g., nuclei) were perpetually vibrating. The previous two statements might be falsely referring to phenomena, which would be a source of confusion.

EDIT: From what I'm reading it seems atomic vibrations are primarily due to atomic bonds. Is this the only source of atomic vibrations?

So more specifically:

1. What exactly is Brownian motion? Is it a complete description to say the: translational, rotational, and vibrational motion acquired by particles as a result of collisions with other particles?

2. Is any motion an inherent property of an atom (no existing bonds) such that it would be in motion even if no collisions were occurring? That is, even if it were all by itself?

3. Why are they moving in the first place, and why don't they ever run out of energy?

Call it particle motion instead of atomic motion caused by collisions from neighboring particles. Yes, we can also take this at atomic level but you just cannot say that the distilled water have brownian motion. Can you ?

1. I have already given the definition. It can be either translational, rotational, or vibrational motion or all of these motion acquired by particles as a result of collisions with other particles. Brownian motion is just the random drifting of particles in a fluid. Particles can behave in any motion they like. You can refer the brownian motion - zigzag.

2. There must be some collision in the system. Will the particle in a still distilled water randomly drift ? No! But if you heat the water , the particle will gain kinetic energy leading to its collision with the neighbouring molecules. We know that after every collision the momentum of it will be conserved and so is its kinetic energy at a constant temperature.

p1=p2=p and K.E. or Ek = p2/2m .

3. They run out of energy. You heat water to θo C such that : Q=MCθ
That heat energy is utilized in increasing potential energy. MCθ = Mgh , where g is intermolecular force of attraction. Since Mgh = Mv2/2
so Mv2/2 = MCθ
Now θ keeps on decreasing and so is kinetic energy and so are the collisions and so is the movement of a particle ! When molecules have momentum = Mv during collision they transfer that momentum to particle = mV such that Mv=mV (conservation of momentum)and hence particle gains different kinetic energy.
 
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