Is Centrifugal Force Real or Fictitious?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of centrifugal force, specifically whether it is considered a real or fictitious force. Participants explore the definitions and implications of centrifugal force within rotating frames of reference, as well as related concepts such as reactive centrifugal force.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that centrifugal force is a fictitious force that arises in non-inertial (rotating) frames of reference, used to explain the motion of objects in those frames.
  • Others introduce the concept of "reactive centrifugal force," which is described as the reaction force exerted by an object undergoing centripetal acceleration onto the source of the centripetal force, in an inertial frame.
  • There is a suggestion that centrifugal force can be understood as the tendency of an object moving along a curved path to appear to "fly away" from the center of curvature.
  • Participants question the existence of centrifugal force and seek clarification on why it is labeled as "fictitious," with references to its definition as an apparent force that does not arise from physical interactions.
  • Some contributions emphasize that the apparent outward acceleration experienced in a rotating frame is due to the acceleration of the frame itself, rather than a force acting on the object in free fall.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of centrifugal force as real or fictitious, with no consensus reached on its nature. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these definitions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various definitions and concepts related to fictitious forces, but there are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about frames of reference and the implications of these definitions.

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In physics today, my teacher told me that Centrifugal force is a fake force? Is this true? What exactly is Centrifugal force? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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In a rotating frame of reference, centrifugal force is a "fictitious" force used to compensate for the rotating (non-inertial) frame. There's also the debatable term "reactive centrifugal force" that refers to the Newton 3rd law reaction force exerted by a centripetally accelerated object onto the object producing the centripetal force in an inertial (non-accelerating) frame. Wiki articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_force

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_centrifugal_force
 
Its simply the tendency of an object following a curved path to fly away from the center of curvature.

If you need further understanding, there is always the google box :)
 
So does it actually exist? Why Is it "fictionious"?
 
Psyguy22 said:
Why Is it "fictionious"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_force
A fictitious force, also called a pseudo force,[1] d'Alembert force[2][3] or inertial force,[4][5] is an apparent force that acts on all masses in a non-inertial frame of reference, such as a rotating reference frame. The force F does not arise from any physical interaction but rather from the acceleration a of the non-inertial reference frame itself.
 
Psyguy22 said:
So does it actually exist? Why Is it "fictitious"?
In physics, the common usage for centrifugal force is in a rotating frame. If you read the wiki articles, it explains that it is a "fictitious" force because the apparent force is one that causes objects in "free fall" to accelerate "outwards", when in fact, it's some point of observation on the rotating frame that is accelerating while the observed object in "free fall" is not being acted upon by any force or accelerating. There's also an apparent "fictitious" coriolis force in a rotating frame.

For the less common usage, "reactive centrifugal force" is one of the two Newton 3rd law pair of forces involving centripetal acceleration. Say an object is attached to a string and that the object is moving in a circular path. The string exerts a centripetal force onto the object, and the object reacts to the acceleration by exerting an equal but opposing "reactive centrifugal force" onto the string.

Note that "fictitious" centrifugal force is one that appears to be exerted onto an object, while "reactive centrifugal force" is a force that the accelerated object exerts onto something else.
 

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